Bio is alot better in the lubricity department. Better for injectors, injector pump, etc.
Less smelly (Not that i care, I like diesel exhaust)
Less noise
I concur on all accounts. We only have B5 in Lost Wages but better than the regular #2. I would go to a higher percentage if it was available. My mpgs have not changed (at least noticeably) since I switched to bio about 3 months ago.
I also like the fact that even using B5 takes some of the demand off from the need for overseas oil. Without getting into the debate whether the use of biofuel really is good for the environment, my point is more of a political issue. One of the reasons our country and its economy is where it is at the moment is the issue of oil importation and reliance thereupon.
If you can get good bio for less than or the same as #2 definitely go for it. I found a good supplier on Craigslist.com of all places- a guy making it in his garage, but using a professional machine, not your run of the mill voo doo doctor.
If you go the way I did, and prefer not to pay full price (I was paying $3 a gal vs. $3.60 for #2 at the time) just make sure the stuff is CLEAR. It will be light amber to caramel color. If it's in any cloudy- run!! That means the guy didn't filter it properly, enough, or it still has methanol in it which (a) holds water (b) holds glycerin (soap) and while the stuff will burn, I guarantee it will clog a standard filter every 25 gals or so. Do ask me how I know (I bought 100 gals of junk before).
Long story short- go for it. Keeps our farmers feeding their families.
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Did anyone see that Myth Busters episode where they were testing the multitude of claims on how to gain MPG? Within that show they ran used cooking oil in a Mercedes diesel. The cooking oil was only filtered, I can't imagine that would be good in the long run. Most things I have seen on using used cooking oil had a much more rigorous process for cleansing it and preparing it to put in the tank. Sorry if this is off topic, this thread made me think of that show.
I have a 2001 7.3 Excursion and have never ran bio but am looking at it. Diesel is $4.19 around my house in Michigan. I have a local BP station that sells bio for 1-2 cents cheaper. I need any break I can get as I drive my truck daily. I have heard horror stories about injuctors and other issues when running bio without any engine modifications. Should I or should I not give it a try???? Thanks.
I have heard horror stories about injuctors and other issues when running bio without any engine modifications. Should I or should I not give it a try???? Thanks.
AFAIK, the hoses might leak with high levels of bio. I would buy it only if it were as cheap or cheaper than D2. Otherwise, I wouldn't.
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I recently tried running a tank of B20 bio.....I was very impressed! The engine got quieter within minutes of driving away from the station! I didn't notice any drop in mpg...but in my opinion I lost a little SOTP power.....might have been my imagination though, I never did any "testing" to make sure. It might just be that it was so much quieter it seemed that way lol
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I've run B99 at least 90% of the time for the last year or so. It really depends on the BIO makeup whether you lose any power/mileage or not. Diesel Power mag did a dyno test and actually made more power on BIO than D2. Not anything statistically significant, but it was higher nonetheless.
One thing to keep in mind is if you've added any rubber hose to your fuel system you will eat through it with the B99.
I run it to give money to American farms and business' rather than jerkies like Hugo Chavez and the Crown Prince of Sand. I know, I know it is only a percentage of our fuel comes from them, but Venezuela is like 15% and the middle east is like 15% and I'd just rather give it to folks here at home.
So if I were to purchase 500 gallons of bio it would probaly not be good to run in my backhoe because it a rubber supply line, correct?
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AFAIK, the hoses might leak with high levels of bio. I would buy it only if it were as cheap or cheaper than D2. Otherwise, I wouldn't.
Bio eats rubber, that is true. Our trucks do not use rubber o-rings anywhere the fuel lines or injectors, and we do not have rubber hoses for fuel lines (unless you've modified your fuel system otherwise). Our PSD's can safely run bio without modifications. The o-rings that you find in our trucks are Viton. Rubber hasn't been used since the 80's.
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So if I were to purchase 500 gallons of bio it would probaly not be good to run in my backhoe because it a rubber supply line, correct?
If your backhoe does use actual rubber lines, then don't use bio. It will destroy the lines in no time.
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I have heard horror stories about injuctors and other issues when running bio without any engine modifications.
That's WVO you hear about. There's a difference between WVO and bio-diesel. WVO is filtered, but is still raw unprocessed oil. And yes, those horror stories you hear about WVO are true. Running that for an extended period of time will mess up your injectors. You'll get this nice coating of junk on the injectors, valves, etc.
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2002 F-250 PSD
Best time: 15.44 @ 86.48 MPH at 6000ft running stock injectors, no drugs, and 36" tires!!!!
bio is great for me! because it costs me about a 1.30-1.40 a gallon to make!! that includes my cost for ingredients and my mileage to go and pick up my wvo!! plus- i heat my house with it too!
It also has a shelf life of around 6 months I think? Not sure of how much you use....but it might eat thru that rubber hose fast.
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Would that be all mixtures of bio or just B100?
6 months is the general guideline for all diesel, not just BIO. How accessible are the rubber lines? I've run some on and off through my tractor and never had any leaks yet.
One word of caution. The Bio will clean the system out and the puffs of black smoke turn to a light white/gray color. It will also spew all sorts of little dots of soot all over the place the first tank or 2 while the system gets cleaned up. I ended up taking the power washer to the tractor to remove that stuff. After the system's cleaned up no more issues.
I don't fully understand what it did, but it appears to have cleaned out the exhaust system as well. I just figured cleaning it out had to be good for it. My rubber lines are easily accessible so I'm not too worried.
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I have a 2001 7.3 Excursion and have never ran bio but am looking at it. Diesel is $4.19 around my house in Michigan. I have a local BP station that sells bio for 1-2 cents cheaper. I need any break I can get as I drive my truck daily. I have heard horror stories about injuctors and other issues when running bio without any engine modifications. Should I or should I not give it a try???? Thanks.
