Advice needed on purchase

[scottman70]

Hemi,
Still have the Excursion (it's paid off )......tried to trade it in but got low-balled so keeping it for now. I think it will be hard to sell because of the long list of issues I have had with it. I am going to lift it and install 37's, but I need more $$$
Back on subject............Diesels rock they are the best! You V-10 guys are great, but I gotta stick to my guns!! Go Diesel!

[X_Hemi_Guy]

Originally Posted by scottman70

You V-10 guys are great, but I gotta stick to my guns!! Go Diesel!

Hey that's okay...I understand that constantly breathing all that exhaust smoke does contribute to oxygen deprivation and has been linked to delusional thoughts

BTW...you diesel boyz STINK!

Back on topic...OP...the V10 will EASILY pull your load...

[scottman70]

Originally Posted by X_Hemi_Guy

Hey that's okay...I understand that constantly breathing all that exhaust smoke does contribute to oxygen deprivation and has been linked to delusional thoughts

BTW...you diesel boyz STINK!

Back on topic...OP...the V10 will EASILY pull your load...

Hey I still have half my brain functioning!! I have been sniffing biodiesel this week! Actually this week I filled up the Ex with B99 (.25 cents cheaper than diesel) for the very first time. It actually smells good now! It's running perfect, I have gone 350 miles since the fill up and no issues whatsoever. Smells like burnt toast now, it's soybean based bio. Way better than the diesel smell.

[Sanchez_315er]

Now, there's a real good reason to own a Diesel...

After the apocalypse and the zombies come, biodiesel will be way easier to come across than gas!

But seriously, if a petroleum energy crisis comes to a head, biodiesel can be a reality for North America. We probably throw away millions of gallons a week from food waste alone.

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[X_Hemi_Guy]

Originally Posted by CptSD

GET THE DIESEL!! you wont be happy with a V-10 if especially if your going to tow

Good luck, JB

JB,

Thank you for pointing out that in ~15,000 miles of TOWING with MY V10 that I'm really not happy...I always thought that BSEG on my face was from the shear pleasure of topping each and every grade at whatever speed I CHOOSE...but you have apparently accurately pointed out that this is actually agony from likely wondering if I can climb a hill with my little 'ole V10 and kicking myself for not buying a PSD Ex so I can pay $1 MORE per gallon to eeek out an extra 1-2 mpgs while pulling...

You likely know this already since you know how MY V10 pulls MY 9000# travel trailer...but my last experience rolling thru the Rockies had me so unhappy that I'm returning again this year for more steady pulling hill climbing non-stop misery...man what the heck am I thinking?

To the OP...sorry for the off-topic...

joe.

[CptSD]

Sorry to ruffle your feathers a bit X_Hemi_Guy I didn't mean to imply that the V-10 doesn't have the power to tow or to turn this into a diesel vs. Gasser debate...You are correct about the prices of diesel vs. gas...But please be COMPLETELY honest if you are going to jump all over me??? You tow a 9K TT with that V-10 through the Rockies? What kind of fuel mileage are you getting when you do that? I'm guessing 6mpg if your lucky ...I have never towed my 10k TT thru the rockies but I have towed thru mountains and still managed to average 15-17mpg(And that's with no tune on it)...So I'd say your 1-2mpg statement was inaccurate....And what about the longevity of the V-10 a Gaurantee you it will get tired at near 150k-200k miles and this PSD will still be running strong.

The man asked for information so he is able to make an informed decision before he purchases an Excursion...I just happen to be reluctantly selling ours so I wanted to let him know that I have a very nice vehicle within his price range...If he chooses something else that's fine but I think it is our dutty to give him accurate information...

[X_Hemi_Guy]

Originally Posted by CptSD

GET THE DIESEL!! you wont be happy with a V-10 if especially if your going to tow

Good luck, JB

Originally Posted by CptSD

Sorry to ruffle your feathers a bit X_Hemi_Guy I didn't mean to imply that the V-10 doesn't have the power to tow

Not ruffled...just going by what YOU said...and YOU said that he won't be happy with a V10 to TOW...and I countered that I am VERY HAPPY TOWING a 9000# TT with MY V10.

Originally Posted by CptSD

But please be COMPLETELY honest if you are going to jump all over me??? You tow a 9K TT with that V-10 through the Rockies? What kind of fuel mileage are you getting when you do that? I'm guessing 6mpg if your lucky ...

I'm just gonna let this one sit for a minute until I read your next streeeeeeeetched figures...

Originally Posted by CptSD

I have never towed my 10k TT thru the rockies but I have towed thru mountains and still managed to average 15-17mpg(And that's with no tune on it)...

Let me see if I read your words right...15-17 TOWING a 10K# TT?...well I have to say you have the most fuel efficient non-tuned PSD I have ever talked to. My buds with 7.3L's and chipped for mpg's don't get that NOT TOWING...

Originally Posted by CptSD

So I'd say your 1-2mpg statement was inaccurate....

Folks I meet in campgrounds and share beers with report that they get 9-11 TOWING a 9000-10000# TT with their PSD's...so my 1-2mpg statement is VERY ACCURATE when the PSD mpg is reported accurately

Originally Posted by CptSD

And what about the longevity of the V-10 a Gaurantee you it will get tired at near 150k-200k miles and this PSD will still be running strong.

You haven't read much about the longevitiy of a V10...that's okay...go see the V10 forum for figures not reported by me...

Originally Posted by CptSD

but I think it is our dutty to give him accurate information...

I supplied my half of the accurate information...

Oh...I defered your question on mpg's. I don't track tank mpg's. I track my AVERAGE mpg's. Last year with 5000 miles of towing I averaged 8.3mpg. Some tanks higher and some lower...but the 5000 mile AVERAGE is a fair reporting of the mpgs...no one tank wonders for me...

But I will bet that when I'm climbing Vail Pass (~10,300') and Eisenhower Pass (~11,200')...I WON'T be getting my AVERAGE mpg's

joe.

[Yesprofit]

CptSD - thanks for the head's up on the EX. I am looking at for a 4WD however. If I wasn't we would probably be talking!

And the discussion between you and XhemiGuy has been very entertaining!

[CptSD]

Originally Posted by Yesprofit

CptSD - thanks for the head's up on the EX. I am looking at for a 4WD however. If I wasn't we would probably be talking!

And the discussion between you and XhemiGuy has been very entertaining!

Thanks anyway let me know if you change your mind...

As far as the discussion between XhemiGuy...I apologize I didn't mean to Hijack your thread. You came on here looking for some info not for a Diesel vs. Gas engine debate. The bottom line is that PSD or V-10 are both very good motors...Like anything else they both have their positives and negatives. But you will find people who swear buy them none the less...

Good luck in finding a good Excursion that I know you will enjoy.

JB

[krcole]

I love all big engines. But why do all the diesel guys always say that 'diesels are just getting started at xx thousand miles. Come on, how many gas or diesel internal engine problems do any of us have other than burning a little oil with high miles? I haven't had a car in the past 15 years that I didn't put 200k on and 0 internal engine problems. Components is another story. What about fuel pumps, shocks, sensors, transmission, joints, rear ends, exhausts, water pumps, etc, etc. etc. that are stressed whether diesel or gas with high mileage?

Hey, I own a gas, v-8 no less, but to be completely honest, if $ were the same up front I'd own a diesel. Not because I need it but because like everybody else I want to say I can tow xxx thousand pounds. Yeah, mpg is better with diesel towing but not too much otherwise so unless you tow ALOT you won't net it back. Also, maintenance is more even though most won't agree.

But back to topic. If you want to pay a premium up front and be able to tow more than you own then buy the diesel. If you want a great deal up front and want to be able to tow what you own then buy a gas.

With diesel you will be able to tow more and tell your friends about it even if you dont' do it. Question is do you want to pay to say you can?

Personally I wish I'd bought the v-10. V-8 does great with only a few thousand miles behind me but v-10 is alot more power with not too much difference in mpg. And again to be honest if up front $ wasn't an issue I'd go diesel just to say i had it.......

[Yesprofit]

Thanks to all the post'rs so far. I am getting a little anxious, as I took the trailer out for the first run of the season and am looking to "head for the hills" several times this year!

[be250]

hi guys ,ok this fellow say he wants to tow 7-8k 5000 miles a yr. that sreams v10 to me , 2 25$ oil changes & 10 tanks of gas . the 6.0 &7.3 do not like to sit , ck out the desiel boards . like i have said before anybody want a 03' 6.0 with more than 100k [no warr.] that's what "nightmares" are made of!!! bseg barry

[X_Hemi_Guy]

FWIW...Here is a person that accurately reports HIS mpg's with HIS PSD...unfortunately it sounds like he believed the internet lore that he 'should' have gotten much better...

I have an '04 X 6.0 PSD with 100,000 miles which is completely stock, original springs, original shocks and no rear sway bar.

...my 7,500 lb travel trailer.

I just recently completed a 500 mile round trip to the northern Oregon coast which consisted of hilly winding roads...

...and was able to one hand it most of the time with the cruise set at 55.

My only complaint is that I only averaged 9.5 MPG on the trip but was expecting better.

He has a 6.0L which will get worse mpgs than the lower power 7.3L but he tugs 7500#'s at 55 and only gets 9.5...that's on the low side of what I've heard from folks in campgrounds...but right in line none-the-less

His complete post can be found at post #82 http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/71...ml#post5973397

Yesprofit,

Get the V10 and you will smile from ear to ear (translation: YOU WILL BE HAPPY) just like I do each and everytime I pull my 9000# TT. Sure I use a little more 87 octane at $1 less per gallon than diesel...but I'm still many $$$'s ahead and loving life...

joe.

[CptSD]

I think it funny how XHemiGuy is so anti-diesel and has probably been trolling the internet to try to discredit my post. If you like your V-10 so much fine I have said in another post that PSD or V-10 both are good motors with plenty of power to tow. And you keep digging up the post's and talking about the guys you drink beer with so you can prove your point. If I had time to troll I could find plenty of post's of the negative aspects of the V-10 and back up my statement about the PSD. You keep harping on other PSD owners getting Low MPG's while towing by stating their average MPG? Or are you just cherry picking comments about their lowest MPG? You never state how fast they were towing, where and what they are towing, what gears their running, what kind of tune they have, if their trucks/ex's are lifted, 4X4's, big tires etc..etc..
I also own an F-250 with a 6.0L it is lifted and has 37" tires w/ 3.73's...The best I have ever done with the truck towing is 9-11 MPG's...

[Toreador_Diesel]

I personally think a V10 powered truck will get the job done too. If you can find one with or even regear to 4.30s it'll do an even better job; just look at X_Hemi_Guy. I posted on a subject like this awhile back and if you don't want the commonly affiliated smell and noise of a diesel, the V10 is the way to go as it's the gas equivalent of the diesel. It's just about the same power, just quieter and runs on gas instead of diesel.