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Old 03-10-2008, 01:50 AM
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truck isnt running right on veggie oil

hi, im new at all this bio diesel stuff, but i have been putting little bits of vegtable oil in my truck, the oil i get is reaalllyyyy used its almost not even clear, dark color but about a dark carmel color in the sun, i filter it though a metel mesh filter, but i idles terribly and smokes alot, is this just bad quality oil or do i need to refine it more, oh and i ran about 2.5 gal. of veggie oil and 2.5 gal of diesel, so 50/50, and it is partially hydrogenated. what do i do? am i hurting my truck?
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I'm not fully edjumakated about biodiesel, but from what I've read, yes, you are hurting your truck. Using straight vegggie oil especially used is putting soaps and water and probably little bits of french fries through your engine. To run straight veggie there are mods you have to do to your engine to enable it to handle all the extra goodies. Even then your engine's not going to last as long as it should. Do a Google search on bio diesel. There is a plethora of sites that will tell you what's involved.
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I can't imagine that the mesh filter is anywhere near fine enough for adequete filtering. You also don't mention doing anything to make sure the WVO is water free.

I believe you need to rethink your process and maybe plan on putting in a little more time and effort if you want to continue down this road.
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Old 03-10-2008, 10:22 PM
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well hold on, im not running it on svo, im running a diluted mix of veggie and diesel #2, and wouldnt i be able to tell if their is water, wouldnt it evaporate if i heat it up? i let the veggie oil sit for a couple of weeks also before i filter it, im not completely ignorant!!! lol i actually used to use coffee filters but that took quite a while and they got clogged quickly, as for the mesh filter i cant see any contaminants, but i want to know why it was smoking so much?
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Stop putting that stuff in your truck before it stops running completly and look at this web site. http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/mainpage/ It willl tell you everything you need to know. By the way vegitable oil does not mix with diesel unless you process it properly.
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You need to use at least a 5 micron filter to get all the crud out of the oil. Some folks use a centrifuge to remove some of the junk and then heat it to remove the water. Water will not just evaporate as the oil is pushed into the cylinder and water does not compress very well at all. It is a good way to bend a rod or worse! There are lots of resources on the web to get some better guidance from. Do yourself a favor and do some research before you experiment on your ride. The research is free, how much does a reman 7.3 cost?
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well hold on, im not running it on svo, im running a diluted mix of veggie and diesel #2, and wouldnt i be able to tell if their is water, wouldnt it evaporate if i heat it up? i let the veggie oil sit for a couple of weeks also before i filter it, im not completely ignorant!!! lol i actually used to use coffee filters but that took quite a while and they got clogged quickly, as for the mesh filter i cant see any contaminants, but i want to know why it was smoking so much?
A hot pan test would be a good indicator of water in the oil, including the water that you can't see and that won't seperate out just by sitting.

I filter down to 1-2 micron nominal. See my signature. But what do I know?

You may want to check out http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/foru...m/f/9751014871
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NO PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED!!!!!!!!! You have to stay away from partially hydrogenated oils, and or lard. Also You need to filter better. If you use the good oils from restaraunts, it will mix properly, however, a Powerstroke is not going to run good on it, you need to find a non electronic engine, or make biodiesel, or get some sort of fuel heater and it will run, Heating to 180 as some say is not necessary, however the oil has to be warm
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ok my i heat up the oil then run it through filters, thats what i meant by it evaporating when i heat it up not running it through the engine, and secondly my truck is not a powerstroke, its and idi, which means its not electronic, thanks for giving me links to sites
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ok i want to THANK YOU guys for helping me out, i didnt realize what that was doing to my truck and the process to do it properly, i did a lot of research!!! lol and i now know why and what to do, sort of, so im going to do my first dr.pepper test batch, wish me luck!!!
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ok i want to THANK YOU guys for helping me out, i didnt realize what that was doing to my truck and the process to do it properly, i did a lot of research!!! lol and i now know why and what to do, sort of, so im going to do my first dr.pepper test batch, wish me luck!!!
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If I was you I would drop your tank(s), I believe you have screens on your fuel pickup and if your oil was not properly filtered and being partially hydrogenated, the oil will thicken and settle to the bottom of your fuel tank clogging your pickup screens. It happened on my truck just from the small amount of oil in my return line each time I purged my truck, a problem that I have now fixed with a time delay return valve and the in-tank mod on my truck. but my truck is a powerstroke. letting oil sit for a month is a good way to settle the water down to the bottom, then pour the good oil off the top.
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This thread's 2 years old. I hope he got his truck and process straightened out.
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