$3.99.9 Per Gallon??

[George D.]

Bet we wont see a drop at the pump.

[mnmwhit]

I drive a fuel efficient car for my daily driver. I drive the truck when I need a truck.

[mrxlh]

Originally Posted by badass truck

What do you think will happen with the farmers?? In a few months when planting starts to happen, let alone when fall comes around. The combines, the idling tractors, the trucks idling while loading..... It will be very interesting to see what the government plans to do about this.

See, this is how we got into this postition, waiting for the government to do something.

Originally Posted by badass truck

The only way I can see to get prices down is by raising the value of the dollar combined with lack of demand for oil.

Problem is oil is worth more than our dollar, much like gold or any other commodities, they are a hard good.

Originally Posted by badass truck

Couple these with more biodiesel percentages like up around 20. Those things will definately lower the cost you pay at the pump.

Not likely, more like a minimum of 50% bio to make a dent, as their are others waiting in the wings for the fuel the bio will replace.

Originally Posted by badass truck

The problem is that these are all just short term solutions. By short term I mean 10-15 years. Ethanol/bio-diesel will buy time until something is developted that will relieve us from oil completely. That is the only way to get rid of this problem all together.

This statement would be true.

Originally Posted by badass truck

Drilling more oil will put a bandaid over the problem until the new sources run out eventually. We can attempt to fix the problem now or keep pushing it off and let later generations deal with the band aides that we tried to stop the bleeding temporarily with.

Drilling will fix the problem instead of creating a crisis. Vastly upgrading our refining and marketing system here will also greatly help. We have proved reserves here in the states, however we are not allowed to get it.

Originally Posted by badass truck

By the way, this is obviously just my personal opinion. I have no clue if anyone thinks the same way and I guess it doesn't matter. Just after recently completing my senior year in college, this is all we talk about it seems and did plenty of research on the topic along the way. All options to me besides finding something else that doesn't require oil at all is the only solution.

Well that is the problem with college. I have nothing against getting an education. However it is only theory and talk, nothing has to be "proved". Want to know what it takes to fix it, work hands on in the industry. I see the day to day government waste and endless mandates and regulations. Thats why the high cost of fuel is not making the news, the lawmakers are the guilty party on how we got to where we are currently at.

[badass truck]

Drilling for more oil is just a short term solution. You think there is enough oil on the earth tu run things for ever? No there isn't, we will run into the same problem down the road. If the atmostphere doesn't ruin us do to the oil consumption first. 20% bio-diesel, and 25% ethanol would make a dent in the cost of gas. With oil demand going down it would lower the price until something can be found to rid us of the problem all together. Farmers are going to continue to produce more and more corn and soybeans regardless if we use them for fuel or not. By the way, if the government doesn't do anything for the farmer who will?? The guy drilling oil?? Its highly doubtfull that anyone besides the government can fix this problem. I have hands on in the industry, I am a hired hand for a farmer in the fall and spring, so I get into the real world and see how it affects every day life for the individual. It seems like that when farmers are hurting, no one cares. But now that everyday citizens are hurting eveyrone is up in arms about fuel prices. Farmers have been dealing with high prices for over 5 years now. I have a problem with people who only look into the near future. People need to be looking ahead at the big picture. What do you mean waiting on the governement? This is the only way anything will change, and they have already mandated ethanol and will soon bump up the mandate for bio-diesel. Once again, this all goes into the fact that the United States is a fading super power. Its time to adjust into the multi-polar world that is developing around us and reverting to the same thought of drill for more oil or its bush's fault the oil is so high isn't going to do anygood. driling for oil is a short term solution until that supply runs out. I agree with one of the previous statements that high oil prices will force the government to look for alternative sources of fuel. I believe that looking into the past, you can see the solutions to the future. As you stated a black thursday needs to happen, that will never happen. the government has set up barriers to make sure that nothing like that can happen again. the federal reserve is active right now and that is a way that you can see the government attempting to fix problems. Not saying that thay are fixing them, but attempting to anyways.

[RDJ184]

a woman said to her husband i want you to take me somewere expensive tonight so he dropped her ass off at the gas station

[mlb4966]

Is that the same couple were the woman stated that for her birthday she wanted something in the driveway that went from 0 - 200 in 5 seconds! She woke up to find a scale in the driveway and the husband is still in the ICU???

Try to lighten up the mood. Nope I parked my truck and only drive it when I need to. Back to the smaller focus. I dont mind driving it. What hurts is heating the home. Our only options are diesel and propane, of which both are not cheap. I ran out of firewood in Dec so looks like I will have to spend more time cutting this fall.

[oddballish]

It’s simple Supply and demand. He who has the Supply Demands the price$$$$.

[mrxlh]

Originally Posted by badass truck

Drilling for more oil is just a short term solution. You think there is enough oil on the earth tu run things for ever?.

I have my own theorys on it running out or not, but the truth of the matter is this, in just the U.S. with no imports from anyone else we have enough crude for at least 30 years, but it is off limits, because of the government, you know the same one you want to fix everything for you.

Originally Posted by badass truck

If the atmostphere doesn't ruin us do to the oil consumption first.

The fact that you believe in global warming just about wnats me to end the debate here and now, however for the sake of everyone else here on the board who is not a sheep, I will continue on.

Originally Posted by badass truck

20% bio-diesel, and 25% ethanol would make a dent in the cost of gas.

Nope, not even close.

#1. We have nowhere near the capacity to produce bio at these numbers. Even if we did, the real 15% would just be expideted south of the border, due to nafta.

#2. Ethanol is a loser, it returns 1/6th the energy needed to produce it. It is just like the American Farmer, meaning that it cannot stand on its own 2 feet without subsidies.

Originally Posted by badass truck

Farmers are going to continue to produce more and more corn and soybeans regardless if we use them for fuel or not.

Well since 1985 alot of them have been getting paid to grow nothing. So that is a very weak argument.

Originally Posted by badass truck

By the way, if the government doesn't do anything for the farmer who will?? The guy drilling oil??.

Well, what did the government do for all the mom and pop stores the china-mart put out of business? How about home-depot or lowes? If the farmers had half a clue, they would know the consequences of larger production without a demand by now. If not, I surely do not need to keep proping up their poor business decisions.

Originally Posted by badass truck

Its highly doubtfull that anyone besides the government can fix this problem.

Well I hope in all your college studies you learned about a poor unfortunate paper delivery boy who's name was John D Rockafeller. I sure hope your parents, or worse, my tax dollars did not send you to college for 4 years to be a sheep. Quit looking for a handout, and do something. You think the oil pioneers didn't be the farm on being right, many of them lost. Many of them won. Why don't you be the renewable energy pioneer and make something of yourself.

Originally Posted by badass truck

I have hands on in the industry, I am a hired hand for a farmer in the fall and spring, so I get into the real world and see how it affects every day life for the individual.

What you really have is your hands in your pockets and your head in the sand.

Originally Posted by badass truck

It seems like that when farmers are hurting, no one cares. But now that everyday citizens are hurting eveyrone is up in arms about fuel prices. Farmers have been dealing with high prices for over 5 years now. I have a problem with people who only look into the near future. People need to be looking ahead at the big picture.

Just like no one cared about the oil and gas industry in the 60's and 70's as long as they had cheap gas. When 74 oil embargo hit, it was a far different story. Guess you skipped that chapter in college. Part of the peanut farmer from gerogia's energy policy is why we are facing what we face today.

Originally Posted by badass truck

What do you mean waiting on the governement? This is the only way anything will change, and they have already mandated ethanol and will soon bump up the mandate for bio-diesel.

I guess in your socialistic classes this measure would prove to lower the fuel prices. However in real world, real life economic measures, it does exactly the opposite, as

A.) it needs a level playing field, by subsidies, or
B.) the overall price of petro fuels needs to come up to make it feasable.

Your the one with the college education here, you I'll let you pick a or b or both.

Originally Posted by badass truck

Once again, this all goes into the fact that the United States is a fading super power. Its time to adjust into the multi-polar world that is developing around us and reverting to the same thought of drill for more oil or its bush's fault the oil is so high isn't going to do anygood. driling for oil is a short term solution until that supply runs out. I agree with one of the previous statements that high oil prices will force the government to look for alternative sources of fuel. I believe that looking into the past, you can see the solutions to the future. As you stated a black thursday needs to happen, that will never happen. the government has set up barriers to make sure that nothing like that can happen again. the federal reserve is active right now and that is a way that you can see the government attempting to fix problems. Not saying that thay are fixing them, but attempting to anyways.

Well, that is the socialistic way of looking at it, government trying to keep things equil. Me personally, I would rather see America go broke trying to topple the chinese and indian "card house" in the manufacturing sector by exploiting our own resources and returning America to a Manufacturing Giant. Than waste vaste ammounts of tax payers money paying farmers not to farm, wasting money on studying alternative fuels, or worrying about al gore's unconveinent lie. You topple china and india's economy, oil trades at $23 a bbl next week. Then everything is back to normal.

[tkd]

mrxlh,

I like your style and share many of the same sentiments that you do. Interestingly enough, there is really only one person on this thread that has not been disputed from an intelligent standpoint.......mrlxh.

I consider myself a fairly intelligent and well educated person and I agree with nearly everything he has said. Perhaps the rest of you should honestly open your eyes and really look to see what is happening around you.

Sometimes the truth hurts

[goneinsixty]

Originally Posted by tkd

mrxlh,

I like your style and share many of the same sentiments that you do. Interestingly enough, there is really only one person on this thread that has not been disputed from an intelligent standpoint.......mrlxh.

I consider myself a fairly intelligent and well educated person and I agree with nearly everything he has said. Perhaps the rest of you should honestly open your eyes and really look to see what is happening around you.

Sometimes the truth hurts

I am with you too! We need more than the people on this forum to open their eyes. Wish there was a way to get the point across to everyone.

[mrxlh]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the compliment. I work in the industry, and have since the begining of W's term. While I will admit, there are alot of things the energy sector could better, no doubt. If 90% of those restrictions were due to local, state, and federal government restrictions, well, then it is what it is. Your elected officials were the one that imposed them. You now pay the price for those votes. Let me ask this last question. The President and Vice President have not changed in the last 8 years. However the House and Senate have changed giving the majority to the dems last year. "Are you better off now, than you were a year ago?" Remember that question come election time this fall. If you vote for Hitlory or Barrack you will get more of what you deserve, or actually more of what your getting now.

[tkd]

Originally Posted by mrxlh

Thanks guys, I appreciate the compliment. I work in the industry, and have since the begining of W's term. While I will admit, there are alot of things the energy sector could better, no doubt. If 90% of those restrictions were due to local, state, and federal government restrictions, well, then it is what it is. Your elected officials were the one that imposed them. You now pay the price for those votes. Let me ask this last question. The President and Vice President have not changed in the last 8 years. However the House and Senate have changed giving the majority to the dems last year. "Are you better off now, than you were a year ago?" Remember that question come election time this fall. If you vote for Hitlory or Barrack you will get more of what you deserve, or actually more of what your getting now.

The last 3 sentences of this quote are what people who criticize any given presidency don't seem to understand. I wish people would take the time to learn HOW and WHY our system works the way it does.

[fabmandelux]

If you really want to be PO'd read this: http://www.businessandmedia.org/spec...udeCompany.asp

[62rag]

Originally Posted by mrxlh

Let me ask this last question. The President and Vice President have not changed in the last 8 years. However the House and Senate have changed giving the majority to the dems last year. "Are you better off now, than you were a year ago?" Remember that question come election time this fall. If you vote for Hitlory or Barrack you will get more of what you deserve, or actually more of what your getting now.

Actually the majority in the senate is a misnomer since there is not ENOUGH of a majority to overide a presidential veto. So nothing that they would want to push through would get past him(ask me about air traffic controller contract negotiations). What you are getting now is more of the same from the GOP, not the democrats. No, I'm not better off now. Actually much worse in the long run. And it's only due to one person......

[chefbuba]

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