I've decided unless something astonishing happens with the 09 150 I'm going to move into a F250. After an honest and unobjective analysis, it seems as if the SD category is better suited to me and my day to day endeavors (once again) than the F150. I really enjoy the F150 ride unloaded over the 250 but I think its the better choice for my business needs. I will try and stay with the 5.4 but with 4.10 gearing or maybe even 4.30 with an after-purchase swap.
I think the 09 F150 will be an incredible vehicle when its launched and will also be honored with several truck of the year honors over the Dodge.
I've decided unless something astonishing happens with the 09 150 I'm going to move into a F250. After an honest and unobjective analysis, it seems as if the SD category is better suited to me and my day to day endeavors (once again) than the F150. I really enjoy the F150 ride unloaded over the 250 but I think its the better choice for my business needs. I will try and stay with the 5.4 but with 4.10 gearing or maybe even 4.30 with an after-purchase swap.
I think the 09 F150 will be an incredible vehicle when its launched and will also be honored with several truck of the year honors over the Dodge.
Thanks.
If you make the step up to the SD, I'm sure after a short while, you'll ask yourself "why didn't I do this sooner"? While I like the ride of my supercrew, the SD is just in a whole other league. While you seem to be set on the 5.4, for pulling, the 6.4 is (IMHO), amazing.
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redford in the SD section has the 5.4 with 4.10s and does alot of hauling search the forum for 5.4 and im sure one of his posts will be there. for constant towing over 10k i would still reccomend diesel or v10 if you go diesel go 7.3 or a 2004 or later 6.0 probably best to go 2005 or 2006 thats when all tthe kinks were gone
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I personally wouldn't buy anything pre-owned or used or otherwise that was intended to pull a load and or had indications that pulling a load had taken place. Go for a new one! You never know if the proper maintanence has been done. Too many consumers buy a truck, run it hard for 50K-60K and dump it. Plenty of people have good luck buying used, but I never have.
It was mentioned that the Tundra was more responsive than the Ford while pulling, however there was never a mention of drive trains in either truck.
Tim
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I personally wouldn't buy anything pre-owned or used or otherwise that was intended to pull a load and or had indications that pulling a load had taken place. Go for a new one! You never know if the proper maintanence has been done. Too many consumers buy a truck, run it hard for 50K-60K and dump it. Plenty of people have good luck buying used, but I never have.
It was mentioned that the Tundra was more responsive than the Ford while pulling, however there was never a mention of drive trains in either truck.
Tim
im probably exact opposite of you i dont like new vehicles when you drive them off the lot the price falls instantly so you really cant resell with the possability of getting the same amount of cash back i do a goodjob of making sure that EVERYTHING on it is in good order and find out how it was used, heavy towing and esepically plowing is a problem for me.
rule exemption for me...company trucks. all company trucks are new off the lot and under warrenty. goota look good and need to take a beating and last
__________________ 1996 F-250 460 Super Cab 8' Bed 4x4
3.55 limited slip frnt/rear, 33x12.50 BFG A/T, 4" Skyjacker, 3" body lift, cat-back dual exhaust, K&N Air Filter, deep tranny pan, Warn hub kit, Alpine 9857 Head Unit, Alpine S-Type frnt spkrs, Sony 6"x9"s (in mobile boxes),flip-down gooseneck ball
im probably exact opposite of you i dont like new vehicles when you drive them off the lot the price falls instantly so you really cant resell with the possability of getting the same amount of cash back i do a goodjob of making sure that EVERYTHING on it is in good order and find out how it was used, heavy towing and esepically plowing is a problem for me.
rule exemption for me...company trucks. all company trucks are new off the lot and under warrenty. goota look good and need to take a beating and last
You couldn't sell me used plow truck for a plug nickel. I grew up in Maine and I know that pushing snow will take it's toll on a rig. Unless a truck has a fifth wheel in the bed or the signature dents and scrapes on the bumper and tail gate, it's pretty hard to determine if the truck did any heavy pulling. I'm sure there other ways to tell, but I don't pull anything so I don't really know. I do know that not everyone takes the time to flush out the transmission and change axles lubes and lube U-joints as per the factory specs be it normal use or severe use.
Tim
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plow trucks are ticking bombs especially as transmissions go, far as maintenance and use goes that comes down to how well you can read the seller and what you can get from looking at the trucks condition. previous owner of my truck used it once a year to tow his race car to NY or PA i cant remember now and for the occassional trips to home depot and he did a few things to make it preform a little better and sound a little better without going at it (exhaust, K&N filter, no air horn reducers on the intake). i could look around the truck and once i had it and really tore into it i could tell it wasnt worked hard and was used how he said.
__________________ 1996 F-250 460 Super Cab 8' Bed 4x4
3.55 limited slip frnt/rear, 33x12.50 BFG A/T, 4" Skyjacker, 3" body lift, cat-back dual exhaust, K&N Air Filter, deep tranny pan, Warn hub kit, Alpine 9857 Head Unit, Alpine S-Type frnt spkrs, Sony 6"x9"s (in mobile boxes),flip-down gooseneck ball
Rumors keep bouncing around that tow capacities are going to decrease across the board in the next year or two.
With the ratings skyrocketing lately the government is working with the OEM's to come up with a standard by which to determine towing capacities- kinda like what they did with horsepower in 1971. The numbers dropped, but were much more realistic.
Other than that, I wouldn't want to tow 11K on a regular basis with a 1/2 ton regardless of rated capacity. I've done it and that's why I know I wouldn't want to. The bigger brakes (big time), higher weight, stronger axles, and wheelbase definitely makes the SD the superior tow vehicle at those levels.
The comfort level and ability to work at the same time in the 150 is ideal. I've got 25,000 miles on mine in less than 10 months so the added fuel consumption of the V10 was a big factor in going with the 150.
Right now I could not buy a 6.4 with the bitter taste of the 6.0 in my mind still.
I have close to 45k in 10 months on my 2007 F-250 6.0L and am considering the V-10 as I use mine for a daily driver, too. I haul a 28 foot TT in the summer, and a tractor with goodies on a 14 foot landscape trailer other times during the year. With the price of diesel now and the poor diesel mileage, the V-10 will cost roughly the same to operate as the 6.4L as far as fuel cost. For the couple grand more for the Superduty V-10, I'd opt for that over the F-150 if you do any towing. I will, however, agree that the F-150 ride is superior. As for the 6.0L being a piece, I've had three, and every one has been very good to me with the 50k I put on a year, and my current 2007 has been perfect.
Yea the 6.4 is nice but really, if he can get by with a 5.4 he can save alot of money. That 6.4 is a high dollar option and diesel fuel is $4.00. You can buy a whole lot of gas for what that diesel engine costs. And the 5.4 will get similar fuel mileage to the 6.4 most of the time (not when towing).
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Originally Posted by Chauncey
If you make the step up to the SD, I'm sure after a short while, you'll ask yourself "why didn't I do this sooner"? While I like the ride of my supercrew, the SD is just in a whole other league. While you seem to be set on the 5.4, for pulling, the 6.4 is (IMHO), amazing.
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Update. I have a used 2005 F350 V10 CC LWB 4x4 Lariat headed my way in the coming days (I think!-I've got first option on it and I'll look it over well, it has less than 10,000 miles on it).
I looked hard at the 5.4 and finally ruled it out. Its a great engine but my towing needs are going up as we become more successful and take on larger projects in the utility construction business. You need the 4.10 just to break 10,000 lbs towing with the 5.4.
I also just bought a used 97 F250 Ext. Cab 460 4x4 XLT LWB with 4.10 and row and go tranny. It pulls quite well but gulps gas when towing.
Also, I do not think diesel will be priced lower than gas for the next 7-10 years at least (may be never again) so that was another reason I went with the V10. Demand in other global regions is surging to new highs and the United States cannot produce enough diesel with the refinery style that is predominant here. To get more diesel from our crude we'd need to either build new diesel oriented refineries or switch others over. So you diesel F150 potential buyers do your homework!
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