You are right I think. If the Ranger goes and I don't like the replacement; I'm going to get the Frontier. A co-worker of mine has one and it's a real nice truck.
Caveat Emptor: The Nissan Frontier (and Xterra) has the least amount of legroom of any vehicle sold in the US: 38.5 inches.
The loss GM incured was only in North America. On the rest of the planet, they are making money.
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When I started reading this post I thought it was about the auto industry's largest single year loss, not an argument over nuclear vs. solar vs. wind vs. ..... power.
Ths link says the "earliest" is 2017.....have read up to 2021.
Don't know.....but it aint Yucca Mountain.
Hmm, I guess I can understand where you're coming from. Of course I am a believer that Yucca is stable.
One thing that bothers me is that when it comes to nuclear energy, suddenly politicians and celebrities are "experts" on the subject. I try to get my science from scientists. I guess this is just a product of our society, as we also have this happening with global warming.
There' no use to halt nuclear power now as the rest of the world is going forward. We might as well be in danger from our selfs as from them, at least we get the energy with being at risk. Iran wants a plant and a bomb, there going to make people glow in the dark one way or another. I'm not a big believer in that man has brought about global warming no more than we brought about the ice age. The earth is a living breathing planet that cycles it's self, it allways has and allways will. If they really want to help the enviroment, they can start with major population control and the devestation to the forests. Trees make air and cool the planet. Too many people put a burden on natural resources, create waste and pollution and destroy nature with expansion. It's not about cars, it's about people and the fact theres too many. If every couple would have 2 kids, the population remains the same, replacements if you were. Every couple has one child the population starts to decrease. Anymore than two and your on the road to expansion. The earth has built in safty devices, if the population gets to great, starvation and diases run rampet a long with some earth quakes, tidle waves and hurricanes that will help restore the natural order of things. We are surrounded by water and yet very little of it's drinkable and now drouts are making it less yet. If the earths population was just cut in half, there would be more food, water, energy, less crime, less war, less pollution, less diases, more nature and forests. It's such a simple solution, but no one wants to address it. I'm pro life and against aborsion, but I am for personal responsability. I don't know if it's politically correct to tell folks to keep thier pants zipped and legs crossed. A good start would for folks to have no more children than they can aford. I know in a free country we don't like to be told what to do or how many children to have, but it wouild be for the betterment of the world. The problem isn't that there's too many cars, the problem is there's too many people that need cars. I know population control isn't a popular topic, but it's where the answer lies for the future. At least thats the way I see it, but I'm not to bright, just a dozer operator, not a rocket scientist or anything.
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Would you believe me if I told you that an electric car could do 500 miles per charge? The initial price would be high, but EVs can easily outlive gas or diesel powered counterparts with far less downtime, and yes, that includes batteries.
well i know theres that one car that they hope on selling soon and i heard like 200-250 a charge and only 2 gears i think
Wendell I AGREE completely with you. While I am one that would not like bieng told what to do , I definatly think your spot on. We (humans) constantly talk about how this animal or that is overpopulated but we NEVER look ourselves. But like you said its not a popular topic and certainly no politician will ever touch it.
Now back to the original programing......
If the big 3 are outsourcing labor just to compete and keep their head above water, then how is it Toyota,Nissan, ect. can afford to use American labor and still be profitable? I just don't understand the way that works.
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One of the things that burns me so much about this situation is that overseas, ford make some very nice product, and yes, I do mean better than the 09 F150.
Check out the ford Australia website. Ever heard of the falcon ute or seen what the "ranger" is over there? The ranger is a true 4 door, with not one, but TWO diesel engines to choose from, has a towing capacity of 7000lbs, and can drive through water halfway up the doors without getting the floormats wet. The "other ranger" is actually on par with the land rover defender for offroad capability, and ford was known to be concerned about conflicting with the british make. It is also available with a close ratio 5 speed tranny that is specifically designed for towing.
Look up ford argentina while your at it. There, the superduty is called the F100(reg cab) or the F200(crew cab) and comes with a cummins 4bt thats rated at just over 200Hp, and 25 MPG. But here, all we get is another V8 gasser in another "all new" package, after seeing what ford has done elsewhere I think they can do better.......
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One of the things that burns me so much about this situation is that overseas, ford make some very nice product, and yes, I do mean better than the 09 F150.
Check out the ford Australia website. Ever heard of the falcon ute or seen what the "ranger" is over there? The ranger is a true 4 door, with not one, but TWO diesel engines to choose from, has a towing capacity of 7000lbs, and can drive through water halfway up the doors without getting the floormats wet. The "other ranger" is actually on par with the land rover defender for offroad capability, and ford was known to be concerned about conflicting with the british make. It is also available with a close ratio 5 speed tranny that is specifically designed for towing.
Look up ford argentina while your at it. There, the superduty is called the F100(reg cab) or the F200(crew cab) and comes with a cummins 4bt thats rated at just over 200Hp, and 25 MPG. But here, all we get is another V8 gasser in another "all new" package, after seeing what ford has done elsewhere I think they can do better.......
The focus is another example. The european focus was a great performance car. Here we got a economy model only.
It does seem like common sense has escaped them. I really don't know what else to say about it. I think honda, toyota and even the german companies seem to use logic when deciding what to sell here but the domestics don't.
Its funny that the "domestics" are the auto makers having trouble understanding what people would really like here.
I think part of it is what I said in my first post, the truck is often a status symbol here. I'm not sure about Austrialia but in the rest of the world pick-up trucks are a work vehicle. They are not the best thing to ride to work in or make a fashion statement in. I hope that the higher gas prices brings this adjustment back to the American auto industry, but I don't have much faith. I think that most americans would go bankrupt filling up there status symbol vehicles with expensive gas before getting something that better fits their needs.
The reason the domestics struggle but the foriegn automakers use american labor succesfully is the unions. The imports are not using the unions while domestics are.
And yes ultimatly the solution to a large percentage of the world's problems are to decrease population. Unfortunatly that is an ugly thing and nobody wants to touch it.
and the half life of Uranium by the way is like 700 yrs, that 700 million, well for u235 anyway
I'm not sure exactly what the half life on the spent nuclear fuel is. I know that in France and Japan they have a technolgoy to "reclaim" it and that waste can be disposed of as normal waste in less than 200 years.
And yes ultimatly the solution to a large percentage of the world's problems are to decrease population. Unfortunatly that is an ugly thing and nobody wants to touch it.
I'll touch it. I believe that when the "baby Boomers" start dieing off everything will be fine. Most baby boomers had 2.3 kids where as their parents (the greatest generation) had 4.4 children.
Atleast for this county anyway. As for the world; that's a different issue. Maybe if the US and the select few other country's would stop with sending aid to every country in crisis wheather it is AIDS relief or whatever.
I know that it sounds like I'm heartless. I'm really not.
That should even things out, unless the illegals keep coming. Flame on.
Doesn't Japan have a recomended children per couple limit?
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If the big 3 are outsourcing labor just to compete and keep their head above water, then how is it Toyota,Nissan, ect. can afford to use American labor and still be profitable? I just don't understand the way that works.
Except for the joint Toyota/GM NUMMI factory in Fremont CA, all the other Toyota factories in the US are NON union, and have been since day one.
Until the recent labor agreements, it cost GM almost $2,000.00 more than Toyota to build just one vehicle.
All the Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Mercedes, BMW, VW and etc. factories in the US are also non union.
__________________ Bill / Retired Ford Partsman ~ 1962/97
Part number research: Trucks 1948/02 / Cars 1949/91
I'll touch it. I believe that when the "baby Boomers" start dieing off everything will be fine. Most baby boomers had 2.3 kids where as their parents (the greatest generation) had 4.4 children.
Atleast for this county anyway. As for the world; that's a different issue. Maybe if the US and the select few other country's would stop with sending aid to every country in crisis wheather it is AIDS relief or whatever.
I know that it sounds like I'm heartless. I'm really not.
That should even things out, unless the illegals keep coming. Flame on.
Doesn't Japan have a recomended children per couple limit?
Actually most developed countries see this happen without any intervention.
(allow me to think for a few seconds so not to sound prejudice).
In europe, the population of " tradiational europeans" has actually leveled off and in some cases is starting to drop. We should start to see this happen in the US very soon for those that have been in this country for years. There are many reasons for this. Change in lifestyle, more mobile workforce, etc. The gains in those european countries is coming from immigrants, who are still used to their less developed lifestyles and cultures. One reason to have many children is because the infant mortality rate is high and more children are more free employees to work on the farm.
So in most cases it will work itself out I think. But I also think the goverment should have some type of guidlines and even incentives to have no more than 2 children. It would be nice to have a global group of scientists get together to determine what is a sustainable population for this planet and take action to assume we are around that number.
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