When i say 10%, i mean money being payed to the workers and money going back into our economy. I didn't realize I was typing a paper here next time I'll try and make sure i capitalize America. If you owned a car company and you were losing money would you try to out source some of the the work to save some money? Would you try to build the car in the country where it is being sold so you could save some money and gain customer support. Sorry about the japs remark just tryin to shorten it down. I mean them no ill will. As far as dodge goes they build dodge trucks right down the highway from me and they have always been an American name, and i would still rather see you buy a dodge over a toy..... I currently own two fords and have owned eight other fords. but, i am only 28 and i only have a two car garage. I don't care if the tundra was designed in indiana the japanese still make the final call on it, and they could have done a way better job. It bugs me when some one comes with a more miss information and then takes potshot at me for my grammer and knocks me for playing the american card when i am an american. I didn't capitalize all my i's i does that maybe you can comment on that in you next post. Bottom line, when i say buy american i don't just mean trucks. Imean everything that is american. If we are only buying imported things are money is going to other markets and not are own. Also, I don't know if you noticed yet but this is a ford truck forum not a toy....... forum. please try to concentrate on what i am trying to get across here and not my grammer, and pardon me for using my american card.
When i say 10%, i mean money being payed to the workers and money going back into our economy.
And you're still incorrect.....there's more than 10% JUST IN MSRP....try to grasp that.
That means the dealer makes 10% if sold at MSRP.....if you think that Toyota makes 90% percent profit on their vehicles(or even 80%)....well, you are beyond brain washed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
I didn't realize I was typing a paper here next time I'll try and make sure i capitalize America.
Thank you.....even though you didn't try very hard.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
If you owned a car company and you were losing money would you try to out source some of the the work to save some money? Would you try to build the car in the country where it is being sold so you could save some money and gain customer support.
Honestly??? I wouldn't lay off 30,000 AMERICAN workers without touching my Mexican workforce and expect Americans to be loyal.......I wouldn't spend 2 BILLION $$$$$ building a factory in Mexico and pretend I'm saving money (when in fact it's a thinly disguised ploy to break the unions)
I wouldn't do joint ventures with Yamaha, Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Mazda (Ford owns controlling interest) and then expect my customers to hate the Japanese.
I would hire my CEO and pay him on performance.....not $26,000,000 up front money. (I realize he may not have agreed to those terms)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
Sorry about the japs remark just tryin to shorten it down. I mean them no ill will. As far as dodge goes they build dodge trucks right down the highway from me and they have always been an American name, and i would still rather see you buy a dodge over a toy
Well, you aren't very true to your convictions......you'll buy an American name even though the profits went to Germany.
I guess you just favor Germany over Japan.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
..... I currently own two fords and have owned eight other fords. but, i am only 28 and i only have a two car garage
.
I bet you'd be surprised at how much Japanese content a lot of your American Fords have/had
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
I don't care if the tundra was designed in indiana (it was California, built in Indiana and Texas) the japanese still make the final call on it, and they could have done a way better job. It bugs me when some one comes with a more miss information and then takes potshot at me for my grammer and knocks me for playing the american card when i am an american. I didn't capitalize all my i's i does that maybe you can comment on that in you next post
No truck is perfect, not the Tundra, not Ford, not any maker.
You don't like the looks.....BFD. There is a myriad of features that trump the 150 in '07....power only being one of them.
No potshots, like I said: it's a matter of respect concerning America. I never really mentioned your horrible grammar.....but you must be aware of it. Should we take you serious if you cannot take the time to try and make your posts a tad more legible??
Curious, did you serve in the military???
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
Bottom line, when i say buy american i don't just mean trucks. Imean everything that is american. If we are only buying imported things are money is going to other markets and not are own.
Bottom line is the Tundra is made in America with 75% American content...bringing up imported goods is not relevant to this conversation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
Also, I don't know if you noticed yet but this is a ford truck forum not a toy....... forum.
Check out post #43......I did not open the door concerning the Tundra.
I only responded to an un-true post.....I also feel Ford can and should match the Toy powertrain; that was the main jist until you turned it into a political pissing contest.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
please try to concentrate on what i am trying to get across here and not my grammer, and pardon me for using my american card.
Interesting that you bring up the grammar.....again. It must be a real sore spot for you. Maybe $15 an hour is about right (write??)
Last edited by DOHCmarauder : 02-06-2008 at 12:23 AM.
DOHCmaruader......why did you have to bring up how the Tundra is so much more powerful than the 5.4L....we know that
everybody just stop with this Toyota @#!$(im guilty of it), i don't care if your Toyota is faster than your heavier Ford, i don't care if one was able to keep up with you on the highway while towing, i don't care about the Tundra, i know enough about it not to care
DOHCmaruader......why did you have to bring up how the Tundra is so much more powerful than the 5.4L....we know that
everybody just stop with this Toyota @#!$(im guilty of it), i don't care if your Toyota is faster than your heavier Ford, i don't care if one was able to keep up with you on the highway while towing, i don't care about the Tundra, i know enough about it not to care
back on to the topic of this thread....
Why do you have selective reading????
This thread is about HP ratings.
The topic was fairly technical and informative and compared different paths to make that HP.............until post #43.
Why don't you axe him about the negativity???
After that, all Tundra comments were direct replies.
Get over it.
Last edited by DOHCmarauder : 02-06-2008 at 01:12 AM.
DOHCmaruader......why did you have to bring up how the Tundra is so much more powerful than the 5.4L....we know that
everybody just stop with this Toyota @#!$(im guilty of it), i don't care if your Toyota is faster than your heavier Ford, i don't care if one was able to keep up with you on the highway while towing, i don't care about the Tundra, i know enough about it not to care
back on to the topic of this thread....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford-150
dude im not going to fight with you on the internet.....its worthless....
When i say 10%, i mean money being payed to the workers and money going back into our economy. I didn't realize I was typing a paper here next time I'll try and make sure i capitalize America. If you owned a car company and you were losing money would you try to out source some of the the work to save some money? Would you try to build the car in the country where it is being sold so you could save some money and gain customer support. Sorry about the japs remark just tryin to shorten it down. I mean them no ill will. As far as dodge goes they build dodge trucks right down the highway from me and they have always been an American name, and i would still rather see you buy a dodge over a toy..... I currently own two fords and have owned eight other fords. but, i am only 28 and i only have a two car garage. I don't care if the tundra was designed in indiana the japanese still make the final call on it, and they could have done a way better job. It bugs me when some one comes with a more miss information and then takes potshot at me for my grammer and knocks me for playing the american card when i am an american. I didn't capitalize all my i's i does that maybe you can comment on that in you next post. Bottom line, when i say buy american i don't just mean trucks. Imean everything that is american. If we are only buying imported things are money is going to other markets and not are own. Also, I don't know if you noticed yet but this is a ford truck forum not a toy....... forum. please try to concentrate on what i am trying to get across here and not my grammer, and pardon me for using my american card.
Well I'm not sure if this was directed at me or not.
One of the reasons I spend time at this forum is because it is one of the most educated groups online I have been able to find. Most people here are able to discuss the merits of all brand of trucks. It is a ford board and everyone here has some interest in ford or they wouldn't be here. There is a general bias toward ford, but you will also find people who can honesly discuss every vehicle made.
I will repeat the point of my first post here again. If there is a foreign and american product of the same cost, same quality and have overall the same appeal to me I will buy the american product. But if the foriegn is slightly better in anyway I will buy it in a heartbeat.
It bothers me when you, or a company plays the American card. Truth of the matter is when somebody works as hard for their dollars as most of us do, they simply don't care. They will buy the best product made. Our economy is not suffering because of that. It is suffering because of greed and poor decision making. We will simply have to adapt to the global economy.
I said this earlier also. Cannondale bicycles are hand made in the US. They are generaly known to be one of the best made in the world. They are of better quality, have the best warrenty, best craftsmanship and even the best paint job. They are a model for what other american companies should be. I never hear them begging the people to buy American.
I posted #43. My point is Toyota has only one full size pickup.
It is a heavy half ton but weighs in about #1500 pounds light for a 3/4 ton.
This is what helps with acceleration.
Ford is the only manufacturer (that I can think of) that builds their Half tons on a separate body stile and chassy, from the 3/4 and bigger.
Ford did this so they had a Light PU with IFS, handled nice/sporty for a truck.
This left the Solid front axle, C channel frame, and Manual 4X4 with manual hubs, for the Super duty trucks. (For those that are curious why the Box frame for light rigs, the suspension has enough flex. The 250 and bigger have stiff enough springs for the Pay load in a twisting situation a stiff frame lifts a tire and no traction)!
Ford has gotten caught up in the Heavy Half ton comparison and caved into heavier is better mindset.
That is the motive behind post 43.
-the reason the 5.4 doesn't need to out tow a toyota.
There is a Ford truck for that Job and it does the job very well. My V-10 F250.
I have a #23 ft Ragen toy hauler. With 2 Grizzly 660 in the back of it it gets a little light on the tongue. It grosses out with 100 gallons of water, 36 fuel, bla bla bla, around #9000 pounds.
I would absolutely challenge any douche bag in a toy to tow the same load and follow me UP or Down the Tiger Highway in Eastern Washington. Or ANY similar Mtn Hwy.
32 miles it is, Icy or Dry I got a Grand that says BULL!! PM me if your serious.
That's where I live, That's what I tow, That's why I drive a Ford.
2 new Toyotas bought by family members in 07. Rav and Avalon.
Neither one get within 4 mpg of average sticker rating. The Avalon lives 22 miles from the nearest city. All highway driving.
I posted #43. My point is Toyota has only one full size pickup.
Excellent point!!!..............
Quote:
Originally Posted by 68 351 bronc
Ford is the only manufacturer (that I can think of) that builds their Half tons on a separate body stile and chassy, from the 3/4 and bigger.
Ford did this so they had a Light PU with IFS, handled nice/sporty for a truck.
This left the Solid front axle, C channel frame, and Manual 4X4 with manual hubs, for the Super duty trucks. (For those that are curious why the Box frame for light rigs, the suspension has enough flex. The 250 and bigger have stiff enough springs for the Pay load in a twisting situation a stiff frame lifts a tire and no traction)!
Ford has gotten caught up in the Heavy Half ton comparison and caved into heavier is better mindset.
That is the motive behind post 43.
Uhhhh.....no. In post #43, you said the Toy motor would cook itself pulling a grade. Nothing could be further from the truth.
And being that all the other makers have dedicated chassis (frames) for their 1/2 tons and 3/4 tons I still don't get your point.....the only thing Ford accomplishes is having higher manufacturing costs by not sharing cabs/beds.
Not complaining but I'm not sure it's all that smart.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 68 351 bronc
-the reason the 5.4 doesn't need to out tow a toyota.
There is a Ford truck for that Job and it does the job very well. My V-10 F250..
Some people (me) that don't need the higher ratings the 3/4 ton offers want class leading power for the weights they do tow.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 68 351 bronc
I have a #23 ft Ragen toy hauler. With 2 Grizzly 660 in the back of it it gets a little light on the tongue. It grosses out with 100 gallons of water, 36 fuel, bla bla bla, around #9000 pounds.
I would absolutely challenge any douche bag in a toy to tow the same load and follow me UP or Down the Tiger Highway in Eastern Washington. Or ANY similar Mtn Hwy.
32 miles it is, Icy or Dry I got a Grand that says BULL!! PM me if your serious.
.
What exactly is the bet??? Acceleration??? First to the top???
Being a douche bag that owns both trucks (V10 and Tundra) I'll take that bet at 9,000 pounds. Let you know when I'm in the area.....or we have Baker Grade here....c'mon down.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 68 351 bronc
That's where I live, That's what I tow, That's why I drive a Ford. .
LMAO.....cute and catchy; maybe you could sell it to Ford to use in their ads.
Just out of curiosity, no one where you live drives GM's?......or Dodges?....or Toyotas???.....
Being that this thread is about the power of the new 150......it has wandered quite a bit.
But I will say it again.......at lesser weights, maybe 75%-80% of max. I feel the 1/2 ton is more than enough truck and will do the job as well as the heavier bulit Super Duty.
This argument is nearly the same logic as the gas vs diesel debate....if you don't pull max loads a lot of miles, the diesel can be over kill.
If I had to tow 10K, I'd rather have a truck that isn't near its max rating....that leaves out all the 1/2 tons. A V10 would be my first choice...if I had to pull 15K or more....I would seriously think diesel even though I hate them.
Back to our regularly scheduled programing......I hope Ford rises to the challenge that GM, Dodge, Toyota and Nissan have thrown down:
They need more power in the 1/2 ton trucks....it certainly can be an option because we all know there are those out there that don't want it......but at least give us a choice for class leading power.
Last edited by DOHCmarauder : 02-06-2008 at 11:50 PM.
The mod motors love to rev because of the overhead cam design
How the valves are actuated has nothing to do with the engines powerband.
Intake manifold design, cylinder head port design, and camshaft profile dictate the engines power band. Air doesn't know whether the cam is above the head or in the block.
Quote:
but they'd do much better with a bigger bore - which is what Ford discovered with the 5.0 cammer motor, and is supposed to fix with the boss/hurricane/whatever.
Yes, a bigger bore would be much better. But with that said, N/A 5.4s with the stock 3.55" bore have achieved 600 rwhp, and that's with the long 4.165" stroke too. With the right parts (connecting rods, rod bolts, wrist pins, etc.) the 5.4 can sustain over 8000 rpm reliably.
Quote:
of all trucks, the 5.4 has the largest stroke and the smallest bore...
The Tundra's bore to stroke ratio is very similar to the 5.4s, and with DOHC 4V heads and VCT the Tundra makes 381 hp. Kinda sounds similar to my proposed 5.4 4V build up, doesn't it? But hey, 4V heads aren't worth much over 3V heads, that must be why Mercedes went back to 4V too, right?
Quote:
the 4v would be much more of an upgrade in a sports car application, when built right, not with truck intakes and cams.
The 4V car engines do not have truck intakes. 13" runners with relatively large cross sections and larger plenum volumes are NOT a suitable truck intake. The Aviator long runners (which are not 13") provide SIGNIFICANTLY more power and torque below 3500 rpm than a 99+ Cobra or Mach intake.
I could really care less about my grammer on this forum. I am not trying to get a job here. Fifteen an hour give me a break. Who cares how much money I make. Sorry I don't have an office job were I have all day long to check this forum and my spelling. I like this forum because I like reading about the f150. I could careless less about the toyota. I am tired of reading about how great it is on a ford truck web site. You guys seem like you can read very well, yet you can't seem to read that ford word in front of the truck word that is the title of this web forum. In 2004 the f-150 was the best truck on the market. If ford can get its new engines on the market by 2010 it will most likely be the best truck again. I am still not completely happy with the looks of the 2009, but I still like it better than the toyota. Don't even get me started on the interior. You have to be 6'10" to reach the radio. Americans have made alot of bad decisions, but that is not the only reason our economy is were it is today. If all our money is going over seas than what does that mean for our economy? My numbers on what toyota is give back to our economy is a guess. What I am trying to say is that toyota isn't selling trucks to Americans to help are economy. They are selling trucks to make a profit, and that profit is going back to japan. They could really care less about you and me as long as they are making a profit. I am not saying that the big three aren't the same way. I would buy a Mazda, but I also know that ford owns a 33% stake in Mazda. The only reason I started reading this thread was to see if there was anything typed about the new numbers on the f-150. What do i find myself reading? I find myself reading about how great the toyota is. If I wanted to read about the toyota I would have google toyota forums. I guess i will go ahead and remind you guys one more time that this is a ford truck forum just in case you havn't caught on. Now, please by all means Iam sure that i miss spelled something or something wasn't capitalized. I am also sure there is some misinformation in there. I mean i am only worth $15 an hour, so i am sure there is something you can pick to rip me a new one. Oh, and take your time. Make sure you qoute every line I know that you have time like that. Maybe you could go through and underline some of the words that were misspelled and a couple of things that didn't quite seem to flow right. Take your time it might be another week before I can check this thread. It seems that I have a life, and my wife gets mad when I spend to much time on the computer.
I could really care less about my grammer(sic) on this forum.
You could care less???
(the correct phrase is: "I could NOT care less".....
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
I am not trying to get a job here. Fifteen an hour give me a break. Who cares how much money I make..
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
I like this forum because I like reading about the f150. I could careless less about the toyota..
Could NOT care less....
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
I am tired of reading about how great it is on a ford truck web site. .
Get more sleep???
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
You guys seem like you can read very well, yet you can't seem to read that ford word in front of the truck word that is the title of this web forum. In 2004 the f-150 was the best truck on the market. If ford can get its new engines on the market by 2010 it will most likely be the best truck again.
COOL!!!.........Only 2 more years!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
I am still not completely happy with the looks of the 2009, but I still like it better than the toyota. Don't even get me started on the interior. You have to be 6'10" to reach the radio.
You're tired of people bringing up the Toyota.......but it's OK for you to bring it up.
Oh, at around 6.0", I can reach my radio fine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
Americans have made alot of bad decisions, but that is not the only reason our economy is were it is today. If all our money is going over seas than what does that mean for our economy? My numbers on what toyota is give back to our economy is a guess..
Really??? And we're supposed to believe the rest of your ranting isn't???
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
What I am trying to say is that toyota isn't selling trucks to Americans to help are economy. They are selling trucks to make a profit, and that profit is going back to japan..
Yup, stockholders make 0, new factories are built with monoply money. Design studios in California and the engine/transmission plants in the U.S.A only employ the Japanese.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
They could really care less .......
It's I could NOT care l......oh, nevermind
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
........about you and me as long as they are making a profit. I am not saying that the big three aren't the same way..
Really??? I could have sworn all major corporations were non-profit and only cared about charity....
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
I would buy a Mazda, but I also know that ford owns a 33% stake in Mazda. The only reason I started reading this thread was to see if there was anything typed about the new numbers on the f-150. What do i find myself reading? I find myself reading about how great the toyota is.
This thread is about horsepower and how it's made.....I realize it may have gotten a little too technical for you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
If I wanted to read about the toyota I would have google toyota forums. I guess i will go ahead and remind you guys one more time that this is a ford truck forum just in case you havn't(sic) caught on. Now, please by all means Iam sure that i miss spelled(sic) something or something wasn't capitalized. I am also sure there is some misinformation in there..
That's an understatement....
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
I mean i am only worth $15 an hour, so i am sure there is something you can pick to rip me a new one. Oh, and take your time. Make sure you qoute(sic) every line I know that you have time like that. Maybe you could go through and underline some of the words that were misspelled and a couple of things that didn't quite seem to flow right.
No problem.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickey498
Take your time it might be another week before I can check this thread. It seems that I have a life, and my wife gets mad when I spend to(sic) much time on the computer..
Just for the record, the 4V came out in 1993 in the new MARK VIII. My sister in-;aw owns one that just turned over 215,000 miles. It still pulls hard to the 6000rpm shift point.
The 6.2L BOSS engine is going to be a larger bore shorter stroke engine capable of 7L. The test mule in the Roush drag car makes about 800hp on E-85 with no power adder.
One can only guess what Ford is doing to the 5.4L, but the darn 4.6L 3V in the Bullitt Mustang is at 315 already.
350hp should be achievable I would think, as well as 400 lb/ft with that long 4.17" stroke.
Join Our Site - Its free, quick and easy!
