Hey that's your opinion...The older stuff much better in my eyes
now i'm not picking on anyone but a lot of people say that the older ones were better yet when you look and see what they have and drive most of them drive newer trucks....
what gives with that? Must not be to bad after all.
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now i'm not picking on anyone but a lot of people say that the older ones were better yet when you look and see what they have and drive most of them drive newer trucks....
what gives with that? Must not be to bad after all.
I have driven the newer F-150 and thought about buying one in "04" when I bought my F-250...I thought that is was garbage compared to my "89" F-150 witch by the way is in my gallery..
I did not like the mirrors and I did not care for the interior..
The reason why people are driving the new ones is because they ether like the new stuff every few years or they wore out there old trucks
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The reason why people are driving the new ones is because they ether like the new stuff every few years or they wore out there old trucks
yeah, and now they can drive the new ones until they wear out too...
i just think it's stupid for people to pass judgment on something so easily and say it's junk or doesn't work or this or that before they really know if it works or not...
to each their own so i guess we agree to disagree....
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yeah, and now they can drive the new ones until they wear out too...
i just think it's stupid for people to pass judgment on something so easily and say it's junk or doesn't work or this or that before they really know if it works or not...
to each their own so i guess we agree to disagree....
How am, I passing judgement?
I just do not care for the new stuff..
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Well I didn't read all of the previous post but i've read a few and this is my take. I work at a Ford Dealer and I know how complicated the new trucks are and how much power the new trucks make. Now I own a 95 w/ a 302 nice truck love it to bits, but I also like the new trucks as well, I mean before you could easily do anything on the older trucks and worked great even with a Manuel, but now with all the electronics in the trucks today you need a computer just to diagnose the truck. but the main reason want the new trucks is because they don't want to keep putting money into these older trucks to fix them up. They rather just make a monthly payment and drive a nice luxury truck that can tow a trailer and have get up and go. But in the same time the Goverment is putting restrictions on all automakers for average mpg. I think by 2010 the average has to be 30mpg but im not 100% sure. As Manuel Trans goes yes there fading out and the reason is about 85% of People today don't know how to drive a stick plus they don't want too. So todays automakers can save huge amounts of money by not designing a manuel trans for vehicles they do that because 85% of there customers wont buy them. So why spend millions of dollors to satisfy 15% of there buying customers or save millions of dollers to put towards nicer vehicles for there 85% of customers to make millions more, plus they know even though they don't have manuel trans you'll eventually buy one with a automatic. So you have to look at it from there prospective there gonna satisfy the majority of there customers than spend extra money to satisfy there smaller customers which wont bring them more money. But there will always be Manuels on Mustangs but will be a Option instead of a standard comes with the Vehicle. So my main piont is the automakers are gonna go the route that makes them money. Even if it means a few will not like them. I see it every day at my work. anything older than a 98 nobody wants to put money into it. anything newer than 04 they want everything to be covered under warrenty. So you see people want vehicle with luxuary options and not have to put money in to it. So this is my opinion on why Ford does the things they do.
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we all better try not to buy anything that foregin made, we need to do this whenever we get the chance. also we all need to start speaking out against the foregin auto companies, all the profits off those vahicles go over seas, on a toyota 93% of the sticker price of a vehicles goes back to japan and others a prolly close to the same they are not made here just asymbled. also all that money that good ol george w is going to use for that tax thing again this year, the government is going to BORROW all of the money from china to do it. i have a decal for my truck that says " your american flag clashes with your foregin car".
I went to buy a freezer the other day, because I need a freezer for extra hunting meat (hopefully).
I looked at Sears, Lowe's, Home Depot, Walmart, and Best Buy.
Not a SINGLE stinking freezer made in the USA. What did we do before things were made in China? Starve to death?
There isnt the expertise to make freezers in the US anymore? What is going on around here?
I would love to see that jobs stay in the US. I try to buy products made in the US whenever it makes sense. But I do not fall into the "foriegn automakers are the enemy. Part of the reason the foriegn automakers are hurting the domestic is their own fault. The domestics were happy to sell inferior products simply to make money. Part of the reason we have such great vehicles from all the automakers is because of the japanese imports. I will buy the vehicle that I think is the best, whether that be a toyota ford, dodge, or kia.
I feel the american automakers are now competitive. They have bright people working for them. It is their job to make sure that they are profitable and successful. It is not my or anyone elses patriotic duty to hand my dollars over to them.
Now with some other products its different. Clothing comes to mind. we can't have sweatshops(thank goodness) here so the american companies are at a disadvantage
.......so, does anyone have a personal opinion on the "Future of Ford"? or just personal opinions of other people's personal opinions?........
I've owned many brands of trucks over 45 years...and frankly they were all crap in the end. Hey, they're machines....they wear out, they break, they're not supposed to never fail. Are new vehicles "better" than old? Relatively, No. New ones, functionally, are no differently than old.
So what is the Future of Ford Trucks? To answer that you'd have to answer what is the future of the fuel source used to power the truck, and that presents FoMoCo the opportunity to have a viable market presence in the future based on having the right product design for the market demands.
So, right now (my opinion)....Ford is throwing away the Ranger market (small pickup that only they have a product for, albeit technological out of date) and the other manufacturers are 'thinking' of re-entering....the future isn't "big trucks" folks, except for those whose livelyhood depends on HD.
Well I actually think the future of ford looks good. The imports are throwing everything they have at us and Ford is starting to make gains.
They seem to make some brain dead moves but I think it will be alright. As far as ford trucks is concerned, we really don't have to worry. There will always be a ford trucks, it has so much brand recognition that it would never disappear. The worst case scenario would be we'd have ford trucks (a division of honda motor co). or something along those lines...
you have to understand that its a global economy. everyone's just trying to make money, thats why things are outsourced. for example, my 1996 so called American truck was built in canada. its funny ppl love to say how they buy all american trucks, but have no problem buying japanese dirtbikes and things like that.
I went to buy a freezer the other day, because I need a freezer for extra hunting meat (hopefully).
I looked at Sears, Lowe's, Home Depot, Walmart, and Best Buy.
Not a SINGLE stinking freezer made in the USA. What did we do before things were made in China? Starve to death?
There isnt the expertise to make freezers in the US anymore? What is going on around here?
thats my big question, if one of those other contries were to cut us from from their imported goods then what wood happen to ua all?? i buy american made anytime i can, if there are 5 of the same product on a shelf i will look on all of them for the made in USA and i dont care if it is a few dollars more i will buy it over the others. this country needs to learn to be more independant with everything. you know that nice littler tax refund we are all getting, well they barrowed all of that money from china, like we are not in enough debt already. also in john mccain makes it to president we will be in iraq even longer spending more money and going in debt more. this contry is going to pot all because of greed being the number one thing among other things.
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Old vs new never seems to go well in an open discussion..............I prefer old trucks but thats just me.
Ford, like many other detroit based automakers is going to have a hard time competing with japanese or chinese imports in the years ahead, and financially, they have already been hit with several losses already being reported. The japanese have some of the most advanced manufacturing facilities in the world, while the chinese have billions of people all ready to go to work, what is the advantage of the USA?
This has nothing to do with the build quality of the vehicles themselves, although I will admit to getting a certain pleasure in pointing out the flaws of how cars and trucks are built these days. What this is really about is the lack of cost effective labor in the USA and canada. Now before you start flag waving about buying locally, made goods, ask yourself one question, how many of you have ever bough a product from walmart because it was cheaper? where was it made?
Now what if you saw a truck that is just as big, safe, and capable as the ford F150 but for half the cost? would you be tempted to look at it? Customer loyalty only goes so far, and when it comes to what a truck can do, have they really changed enough to justify the $50 000< price?
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What I still have a hard time understanding is why even the new trucks get such poor fuel economy. I have a 1970 with a 360 4 bbl, NP435 4-speed, 4 wheel drive truck that has 4.11 gears in the 9in rear, and 33x12.5 tires to boot. I love the truck to death, but it does not get great gas milage and no, I dont expect it to. It is about as aerodynamic as a brick, and at 60 is taching over 2500 RPM. However, on the highway, driving as nice as I can (I have to keep up with traffic somewhat) I can still squeeze 11-12 mpg out of it. My dads truck, a 98 ram 1500, gets maybe 15. Fords from that time get about 15 as well. 30+ years of advancements like fuel injection, electronic ignition, aerodynamic design, the list goes on and on, and fuel milage is still poor. Actually, with the amount of technology in these trucks, I feel that fuel milage is flat out pathetic. Sure, there are many new creature comforts and safety features in new vehicles now, but I'm still not impressed.
Thats just me, and I am no genius, especially when it comes to new vehicles, but its still quite irksome.
Garrett
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