Ford and John Deere

jonbass40 · #1 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 07:53 PM

Me and some friends were sitting around and talking about ford and there diesels when we came up with what i think is a great idea. When there contract with navistar runs out, why dont the talk to john deere about building diesels for there trucks. John Deere builds great motors and every farmer in the country would buy a ford because of the diesel. That would probably be one of the greatest partnerships in the country if u ask me. What do you guys think?

tex25025 · #2 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 08:04 PM

I don't know about the bigger ones but their utility tractors and compact utility tractors diesel engines are made by yanmar. Maybe there could be a John Deere special edition truck too.

jonbass40 · #3 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 08:08 PM

The bigger ones are all built in house as far as i know. they have an inline six engine that would be pretty much perfect for it, they have been used on irrigation pumps forever, some with over 20000hrs on them. all they would need to do is update them for road use.

tex25025 · #4 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 08:13 PM

I love all three of my john deeres but they are the smaller ones with the yanmar engine(one that's almost 20 yrs old and still running and no engine overhaul). That could be a good partnership, I just don't know if John Deere wants the headaches of light truck emissions with how they are coming down now.

FARM69 · #5 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 08:48 PM

I think the real success for Deere is with the older larger 7.6L. The 466 was pretty much the streamline model for dozens of years.

The 8.1L had some problems in its history but overall is an excellent engine along with the 13.5L.

We don't own any of the smaller yanmar engines. Always heard good thing about them though. I know a lot of people were worried when half of the small row crop unites contained the 4.5L. I think it was because they were putting out nearly the same output as the older inline 6's.

My opinion would be to drop the 7.6L or the newer 6.8L. The 6.8 might actually fit into the engine compartment. Its only 44 inches long and 24" wide, 41" tall, weighing in at 1200 lbs.

tex25025 · #6 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FARM69

We don't own any of the smaller yanmar engines. Always heard good thing about them though.

I would equate the ones that are were in the 650 and that are currently in the 790 as dependable as the 7.3 powerstrokes. Never had a lick of problems out of either one of those and that 650 is the oldest one that I have(JD no longer makes that exact model anymore).

ford1183 · #7 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 09:36 PM

I think that would be a great idea also i like the idea of a JD special edition.

sneak · #8 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 10:05 PM

I've been kicking around the idea of grafting a 76 F-250 CamperSpecial around a 6.8L 24 valve JD engine. But I think it would be cheaper, and more realistic to try for the mustang I want to build. Plus, I don't really care how the mustang looks, but I want my truck to look PERFECT, and like the engine BELONGS there.

tex25025 · #9 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ford1183

I think that would be a great idea of a JD special edition.

Isn't it though. Of course, I'm sure my girlfriend and my mom would both have my head on a platter if I got something that had that much green and yellow on it.

sneak · #10 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008, 10:26 PM

Haha, I know I'd have to have one, and probably my brother and dad.

Louisville Joe · #11 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 12:31 AM

Tell you guys a story: About 25 years ago, when GM owned Detroit Diesel, Detroit had John Deere help with the design of the Detroit 60 Series semi truck engine. And, the plan was not going to stop there. Detroit was going to merge with JD's engine division, and JD was going to be the primary diesel supplier to GM. A few Deere 5.9L's were installed in Chevy medium duty trucks for testing, and some of them were given to dealers. The floor of the Topkick and Kodiak was made to clear the Deere's valve cover. It was all set to go, and something happened. Detroit ended up sold to Penske, and the Topkick and Kodiak went with Caterpillar power. Later on, GM considered a Deere diesel to replace the 6.5L, but it lost out to the Isuzu designed Duramax. The Deere was too heavy and didn't make the kind of power GM was looking for.

bf250 · #12 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 01:27 AM

so, any links to r&d articles concerning the deere light truck diesel?

who in the heck cares who makes the diesel anyway. i seriously doubt too many people would base their truck buying decision on who makes the engine. how many of you would buy a chevy or dodge if deere made the engine for them? how many of you are rushing out to buy a dodge just for the cummins?

of course no one would go rushing out to buy a chevy/dodge with a deere engine. heck, many of you all would just be trying to debate how much better your ford engine is than the deere.

jonbass40 · #13 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 02:12 AM

Well coming from a farming background, im sure you would see a lot of farmers switch over to ford if they had a john deere powerplant, and i know of plenty of people who bought dodges just because they had the cummins. Your everyday soccer mom isnt going to care who makes the motor, your right. but how many people are buying diesels because they need a reliable work vehical, the vast majority. john deere builds good equipment and it would be a win win situation for both companies.

bf250 · #14 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 02:16 AM

only diesels are reliable????????

jonbass40 · #15 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 02:37 AM

No I didnt mean that only diesels are reliable, gas engines are plenty reliable. I ment the people nuying them need a reliable work truck, not a commuter truck.