it don't matter who makes it, unless the maker will have control of every aspect from the fuel tank to the tail pipe.
ford is going to request something with a price on it. most likely any company that takes the off up will have to take away the typical quality found in its diesels in order to match the price ford wants. that in itself would remove any of the historic foundation a company has laid for its quality diesels.
Yes and no, I do understand what your saying and I agree with part of it, but it does matter who makes it. Yes ford or whoever might require "inferior" parts, but experts in a field can do wonders even with inferior parts compared to a hack engine maker that got the bid because they were super cheap.
Also the amount of threads on who you would want to make ford's new diesel engine and such shows that sales would definately be impacted by who they sign on with and I promise you if it was a big off-road engine maker(JD(who I would prefer) or Cat) that would definately impact sales, so in a sense it does really matter who is the maker.
Even with regard to my first paragraph, unless ford comes in and does some major revamping over the engine, it's still going to be the other company's engine rather or not they used cheaper parts are not to make ford's price. Now if Ford told them don't put this stuff in your engines and we'll come along later with our own stuff and shove it in there that's something different.
Also I might add that alot of the people on here know and refer to the 6.0ls and other diesel engines made my Internation by their International designation(although i don't and don't care to know it), so there is a seperation between who makes the truck and who makes the engine and that does play a part, rather it should or should not is a whole nother type of debate.
Bf250 has a good point though. The company that has the lowest bid will most likely be supplying the engines.
I think thats what happened with the 6.0l and it hurt Ford bad. All in all I won't be able to buy a brand new diesel for quite some time. I have no real need to at the moment.
__________________
97' F250HD 4x4 Intercooled Powerstroke 5 Speed LB / Stage II (180cc) Injectors / 10 K / 5er
A-Pillar AutoMeter Cobalts [Boost, Pyro, Water Temp]
4" Straight / EBPV Exhaust Brake / 6637 / CCV / 203 Stat / HX50 (19cm) is being mounted!!
All in all I won't be able to buy a brand new diesel for quite some time. I have no real need to at the moment.
I'm right in there with you, I figure I'll just mod this thing to death and hopefully some of the mods that I do will help it last to the point that it would handle the three years that I normally keep a truck and the three years of what would have been with a new truck(somewhere round 500k with my driving, particularly during certain times of the year).
I disagree with Farm69, at this point Ford can not afford to put cost ahead of quality. If the 6.0l problems have taught us only one thing, it is that quality needs to come first. Ford needs a bullet proof engine, weather it is a cummins, cat, navistar, or even the mexican built JD diesel (lol).
I disagree with Farm69, at this point Ford can not afford to put cost ahead of quality. If the 6.0l problems have taught us only one thing, it is that quality needs to come first. Ford needs a bullet proof engine, weather it is a cummins, cat, navistar, or even the mexican built JD diesel (lol).
I don't think it was totally a quality issue with the 6.0s, it was more of them having to quickly figure out how to make new unproven(atleast for diesels) equipment work with the engines. But your right, they shouldn't shurk when quality is concerned, but they are in this industry to provide a product and still make a profit.
Every "new" engine has problems, but when you push a project to get it out and do not give it time to show it's problems and issues, that is a quality issue to me. I agree that they need to sell a product and to make money. I've been told that Ford spent more time and money on the 6.4l than any other engine. That is what you have to do to make money and sell vehicles.
I see you have a 6.0l, I'm wondering if you have had any trouble with it?
If your talking to me, I had two problems, heads and stock fuel pump going out, but the fuel pump was because of the modified injectors I was running, so I knew that was going out. Now as far as the heads go, I don't know if the Triple dog I was running before then caused the problem or not(some on here would say yes it did no matter what, doesn't truly follow that way without more information, but at this point, it's too late for that). Since all the mods that I have done, I haven't had a lick of problems, with winter fuel I get the same mileage that I get with summer fuel, so I'm wondering if I'll get even better mileage when summer comes along(I'm getting round 14.4 and with 4.30 gears and towing heavy horses most of the time, that is good, I do get down to 11. something when I put the hybrid race tune in, but that's only when I want to have fun). All that is with winter fuel, I did most of these mods after the switch over in the fall, so I don't know how it will do in the summer. The senior master tech that's at my dealership said that my truck was one of the better ones that he had driven in the area, so I kinda liked gettin that validation from him.
Tex25025 I was asking you, and not to get to far off topic here, but I read somewhere that the 6.0l has less problems if you leave them stock. I was just wondering if there is any truth to that? I see modifying diesel engines becoming a huge problem regardless of the manufacture.
as for that "JD" 466 check out it specs, bore , sstroke ,hp position of filters etc. it's a deadringer for a IH dt466. brotherinlaw is headpartsman for a FordNewHolland CaseIH dealership for about 28 years according to him the amount of sharing of systems would surprise most people
Tex25025 I was asking you, and not to get to far off topic here, but I read somewhere that the 6.0l has less problems if you leave them stock. I was just wondering if there is any truth to that? I see modifying diesel engines becoming a huge problem regardless of the manufacture.
Join Our Site - Its free, quick and easy!
