It is supposed to have the tow command system like on the SD I believe. Integrated trailer brake controls that now has sway control too.
?????? Built in sway control?????? HAHAHAHA Thats about the best one yet. Sway is caused by the trailer itself. It is how you hook up the trailer that will prevent sway. You have several options.... you can do as follows:
1. External type friction control.... not suggested for trailers over 26' in length. If trailer is over 26', then 2 are suggested, must be removed before backing.
2. Sway control hitch: Weight distribution head (adjustable) with spring bars that ride in detents on cams or bars that ride on "L" brackets on the frame. Such hitches are known best by thier brand names such as Equal-i-zer or Reese Dual Cam.
3. Pony up about 2500-3000$ and get a Hensley hitch. It is totally weird looking and does an outstanding job in the sway department.
The 09's will have the integrated brake controller. This alone has me excited. THe ones that the SD uses are absolutely awesome. Braking is totally integrated with the truck. I expect to see the tow capacity to be in the range of 12,000# with the diesel option in 2010 and somewhere around 11000 with a gas motor. Naturally, you are going to lose payload capacity with the diesel due to it most likely being a heavier engine. I, for one, cannot wait until I see some REAL #'s from Ford with the diesel option.
As to the previous poster with the 4000# trailer..... Bud, you're doing something bad wrong to have that many problems! My TT has a tounge weight of 1200# and the trailer itself is 8500#. I do run Load range E tires and I have never had an issue. Even when I had the stock BFG rugged trails on the truck the worst I got was tire sway on the sidewalls. You are either beating the truck down the dirt roads at 55 MPH with trailer in tow bouncing all over the place or you are riding on flat tires. You should not have any of those problems towing a trailer that only weighs 4000#.
Well, it doesn't look like I am going to get a reasonable response to the questions I've posed on this thread.
As for The 4bye4Freek's comment, I don't mean to insult you, but I do not know if YOU realize what it means to tow any trailer down very rough roads and trails in all types of conditions hot, cold, snow covered and in between. I don't do this for kicks, I do it as a condition of my job ,as such I am more careful than the next guy.
I am a surveyor, and I have towed hundreds of thousands of Km in all weather and road conditions with different trucks and trailers during the last 10 years, so please do not insult my knowledge or abilities. I don not know too many f150 owners or Superduty owners who drag their trailer around daily an not just for occasional or infrequent use. That is why I posted the question about the MaxTrailer Tow package, as it is billed for those who tow and use their trucks for work daily.
?????? Built in sway control?????? HAHAHAHA Thats about the best one yet. Sway is caused by the trailer itself. It is how you hook up the trailer that will prevent sway.
Heres the thing.....you have no actual knowlage of how the system works...you haven't driven one of them....and because of that i'd hold judgement on how well it may work.....long ago people scoffed at traction control....anti lock brakes.....and air conditioning....and now those are becoming the standard. Just because you don't understand how a system works...doesn't mean it won't work.
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the built in sway control automatically uses brakes and engine throttle to control sway. and i think its absurd for a half ton to be made to tow 12,000 pounds. half tons are getting way too big
Well, it doesn't look like I am going to get a reasonable response to the questions I've posed on this thread.
As for The 4bye4Freek's comment, I don't mean to insult you, but I do not know if YOU realize what it means to tow any trailer down very rough roads and trails in all types of conditions hot, cold, snow covered and in between. I don't do this for kicks, I do it as a condition of my job ,as such I am more careful than the next guy.
I am a surveyor, and I have towed hundreds of thousands of Km in all weather and road conditions with different trucks and trailers during the last 10 years, so please do not insult my knowledge or abilities. I don not know too many f150 owners or Superduty owners who drag their trailer around daily an not just for occasional or infrequent use. That is why I posted the question about the MaxTrailer Tow package, as it is billed for those who tow and use their trucks for work daily.
Again I said I have similar experience to what you do. Cracking a rim is just a bit unbelievable to me. Understand that what you are saying sounds a bit out of this world. A moderately loaded truck, being driving in an off-road environment having these problems. You are not heavily loaded and yet claim to have problems, odd problems. A clogged radiator is another that I haven't heard...
As to your original question. I didn't see anything posted about the features you asked for. I think you know as much as anyone at this point about the package. But i doubt that it would be what you are asking for. I also think that the current "heavy duty package" f150 is more capable and has better features than the older F250 LD that you mention. Though I may be wrong there.
the built in sway control automatically uses brakes and engine throttle to control sway. and i think its absurd for a half ton to be made to tow 12,000 pounds. half tons are getting way too big
well go buy a ranger or colorado then! oh wait, nevermind...
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Heres the thing.....you have no actual knowlage of how the system works...you haven't driven one of them....and because of that i'd hold judgement on how well it may work.....long ago people scoffed at traction control....anti lock brakes.....and air conditioning....and now those are becoming the standard. Just because you don't understand how a system works...doesn't mean it won't work.
So tell me Einstien, How does Ford THINK that they can control sway on a trailer that THEY don't sell or manufacture? How long is the trailer? How much does the trailer weigh? How heavy is the tounge of the trailer that Ford is supposed to control from swaying? When they can control all factors and sell the trailer with the truck, then I will believe that Ford can control sway. I use a sway control hitch on a regular basis. I have probably towed more miles in 1 year than SOME people on here have towed thier lifetimes. Tounge weight is a direct cause of trailer sway. If I really need to explain it to you then I suggest you do some research first. You can make ANY trailer not sway if you have enough tounge weight. It has NOTHING to do with any truck that is towing the trailer. Nor can it be prevented BY any truck towing said trailer. If the trailer is not balanced and does not have enough tounge weight it will sway, I don't care what is toing it.... be it Semi or F-150. There is no humanly way possible that Ford can INVENT something like this. If they could, don't you think that it would be on every Super Duty sold? Most people that buy SD tow or haul on a constant basis. It is the most preferred tow vehicle I have seen in every location I have ever been. They outnumber Dodge, Chevy, Toyota, Nissan and what ever other truck you want to put in the list. Ford Knows towing and this is something that Ford cannot control.
Let me ask you this..... do you tow with a weight distribution hitch? Have you ever seen a weight distribution hitch? Have you ever seen a weight distribution hitch that has built in sway control?. The SWAY CONTROL portion is on the TRAILER itself. A truck cannot control sway period.
Once again, Jason, you will not find a truck on the road to do what you obviously need. The max tow is not going to help you out one bit. You are clearly abusing the truck and you are nowhere near capacity.... not even close. I tow my little 33'-11" trailer down some pretty rough roads at about 35 MPH. I do not blow tires, nor do I crack rims. I have 1200# hanging 1' off the back bumper and the trailer weighs 8500#. Like I said.... you are doing something bad wrong. It sounds more like you need a tank, not a truck. I also don't know of many surveyors that tow a trailer behind them to do thier work. I have been in the construction industry for over 25 years and I have never seen surveyors tow trailers. Most,if not all use fullsize SUV's or pickups with a cap on them. I see plenty of SD's and F-150's towing trailers every day all day with more stress and weight than you have. THey have no cracked rims or major rearend troubles. You obviously don't understand how the tow package works. Tow package is as follows: Trans cooler, class 4 hitch, 7 pin plug, 4 pin plug, prewired for elect brakes. Heavy tow, would mean larger rear axle, 7 lug wheels, and limited cab configurations.... IE F-150 HD. They do make them now. Most have steel wheels and are pretty plain jane. They do however have a higher GVWR.... mostly due to the rear axle. The trans and engine are the same. So you see, I do know more than your average person that buys a truck to haul groceries. I use my truck for what it was intended to do. I haul lumber, stone, brick, mulch, tools, various construction debris, and I also push my F-150 to the limits of it's towing capacity. I always tow over GVWR.... the truck is tagged to 8000#. I have yet to have any issues. And yes, I regularly tow in 100deg + temps, in the rain, and sometimes the snow, (if we get some and I have a trip planned) and up very steep mountian grades....7-9%. I have yet to break this truck. The Heavy tow, big tow, whatever you want to call it, is not going to help you out.
i have towed 4,000 lbs and had around 800 in the bed many times now and i've never had a cracked rim or a flat tire and the last 20 miles of my trip up north is on a old dirt road where i'm doing 35 mph and i NEVER had a problem...
so, i find it hard to believe that you have these problems and your going slower than i am. My truck is totally stock too with the BFG rugged trail tires so i'm confused why you are having these problems and i'm not???
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One more thing Jason, You have already gotten an answer several times in theis thread. All of the people that answered your question agreed that you are not going to benefit from any kind of tow/ haul package. You are not having problems towing.... you are having problems with your truck disentegrating while towing.
So tell me Einstien, How does Ford THINK that they can control sway on a trailer that THEY don't sell or manufacture? How long is the trailer? How much does the trailer weigh? How heavy is the tounge of the trailer that Ford is supposed to control from swaying? When they can control all factors and sell the trailer with the truck, then I will believe that Ford can control sway. I use a sway control hitch on a regular basis. I have probably towed more miles in 1 year than SOME people on here have towed thier lifetimes. Tounge weight is a direct cause of trailer sway. If I really need to explain it to you then I suggest you do some research first. You can make ANY trailer not sway if you have enough tounge weight. It has NOTHING to do with any truck that is towing the trailer. Nor can it be prevented BY any truck towing said trailer. If the trailer is not balanced and does not have enough tounge weight it will sway, I don't care what is toing it.... be it Semi or F-150. There is no humanly way possible that Ford can INVENT something like this. If they could, don't you think that it would be on every Super Duty sold? Most people that buy SD tow or haul on a constant basis. It is the most preferred tow vehicle I have seen in every location I have ever been. They outnumber Dodge, Chevy, Toyota, Nissan and what ever other truck you want to put in the list. Ford Knows towing and this is something that Ford cannot control.
Let me ask you this..... do you tow with a weight distribution hitch? Have you ever seen a weight distribution hitch? Have you ever seen a weight distribution hitch that has built in sway control?. The SWAY CONTROL portion is on the TRAILER itself. A truck cannot control sway period.
Once again, Jason, you will not find a truck on the road to do what you obviously need. The max tow is not going to help you out one bit. You are clearly abusing the truck and you are nowhere near capacity.... not even close. I tow my little 33'-11" trailer down some pretty rough roads at about 35 MPH. I do not blow tires, nor do I crack rims. I have 1200# hanging 1' off the back bumper and the trailer weighs 8500#. Like I said.... you are doing something bad wrong. It sounds more like you need a tank, not a truck. I also don't know of many surveyors that tow a trailer behind them to do thier work. I have been in the construction industry for over 25 years and I have never seen surveyors tow trailers. Most,if not all use fullsize SUV's or pickups with a cap on them. I see plenty of SD's and F-150's towing trailers every day all day with more stress and weight than you have. THey have no cracked rims or major rearend troubles. You obviously don't understand how the tow package works. Tow package is as follows: Trans cooler, class 4 hitch, 7 pin plug, 4 pin plug, prewired for elect brakes. Heavy tow, would mean larger rear axle, 7 lug wheels, and limited cab configurations.... IE F-150 HD. They do make them now. Most have steel wheels and are pretty plain jane. They do however have a higher GVWR.... mostly due to the rear axle. The trans and engine are the same. So you see, I do know more than your average person that buys a truck to haul groceries. I use my truck for what it was intended to do. I haul lumber, stone, brick, mulch, tools, various construction debris, and I also push my F-150 to the limits of it's towing capacity. I always tow over GVWR.... the truck is tagged to 8000#. I have yet to have any issues. And yes, I regularly tow in 100deg + temps, in the rain, and sometimes the snow, (if we get some and I have a trip planned) and up very steep mountian grades....7-9%. I have yet to break this truck. The Heavy tow, big tow, whatever you want to call it, is not going to help you out.
Clearly you must be right....ford is going to offer a package that does absolutly nothing.....but it'll sound good....I make it a rule of thumb to not debate with conceded, less than informed, know it alls....so i'll let you stew about it....and wait for the new trucks to come out. As for you Jason.....its hard to tell if this package will help you out yet....but if i were you i'd switch your wheels to some forged units....that should help you a bit.
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the built in sway control automatically uses brakes and engine throttle to control sway. and i think its absurd for a half ton to be made to tow 12,000 pounds. half tons are getting way too big
So basically what your saying is that there will be a sensor on the hitch.... oh wait.... the hitch slides into a square tube and doesn't move. Scratch that Idea. How is the truck going to know if the trailer is swaying or you are making a turn?. If Ford makes a truck and it applies the throttle and the trailer brakes to control sway, how many law suites do you think they'll have when a driver rearends a vehicle in front of them because the truck applied throttle. Or better yet, the trailer starts to sway and the truck applies trailer brakes to stop the sway and gets rearended. COMPLETELY ABSURD. I have had to reach down to my brake controller manual lever one time to correct a trailer. It was during a 40 MPH crosswind that pushed the right hand trailer tires off the road. I wasn't speeding, only 40-45 MPH. If I hadn't of hit the lever I would have gone off the road uncontrollably. I for one, towing on average of 6000 miles/ year would not want any machine/ vehicle applying brakes or throttle at will. Sounds like and accident waiting to happen.
Not concieted.... just been there and done that. NOW, answer my questions about how many trailers you towed, and what kinds of hitches you have used and how much weight have you towed and what lengths and I'll go off my rant. HECK, my little 4x8 utility trailer weighted in at 6500# on the last remodel I did. No trailer brakes and no sway. Just a ball and tounge. I simply don't see any call for this in any kind of truck industry, be it light duty or MD.
sensors don't have to be mounted in the hitch....we use gyro sensors to measure gforce to control airbags....no reason we can't use gyros to measure truck sway.....maybe its time you figure out there might be engineers who are a bit smarter and paid a bit more than you to figure out problems like this.....
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