I am new to the forums and just I bought a 2005 Excursion XLT V10 with a little less than 45K miles four days ago. Also bought an extended power train warranty for 36 mos/36K miles. When I was looking at the truck at the dealership I noticed what appeared to be over spray on the rubber seals of the doors and engine bay area. I asked the sales person why the car had been painted and he said that what I was seeing was not over spray and was normal from the factory.
Their report from AutoChek also states that the truck was not initially purchased by a rental company ("No rental record"), which put my mind at ease as I did no want a rental from the beginning.
Upon bringing it home and looking at the vehicle closer, it is now apparent to me that the car has in fact a new coat of paint (over spray, paint over paint that is chipping around corners such as gas tank filler hatch.) A little worried now, I decided to run a Carfax and it seems to check out just fine except for the fact that Carfax is reporting it to be a rental when it was initially purchased.
Is it common that there is a discrepancy between AutoCheck and Carfax? Which is more trustworthy?
I inspected the engine and it seems to have brand spanking new injectors and fuel rails as well. The engine bay looks immaculate, as if it's brand new.
I am just really annoyed at the fact that I might have truck that could have been in an accident and that it was a rental.
Is the dealer obligated to inform me of accidents? Doing their 100 something point inspection, as professionals, would they not notice that the car was in an accident in the past? If they did notice, are they obligated to tell me when I ask?
The truck is in excellent condition otherwise and runs excellent. The only thing I noticed was when braking: When I slowly depress the pedal, just when I reach the very end and just when the truck is about to stop, it feels as if the entire truck surges slightly (like a little hop). I can't seem to explain it properly...but if I depress the pedal quickly and forcefully, it seems to be just stopping fine without the little surge. It's only when I come to a very slow stop is when I noticed the little hop and hesitation.
Sorry for the long post and I hope I can find some answers here.
I obviously cant speak on your particular vehicle, but I can relate my experience with the same issue...
Purchased an '04 Super Duty last spring and noticed (a couple days after the purchase) what appeared to be overspray in several areas. Like you, I went back to the dealer to try and find out what was up. Was told the same thing -- that it was "normal."
Came home and started to closely examine my '05 Excursion, and actually found the same issue. Went back to the Ford dealer and started closely examining brand spanking new '07 trucks and every single one of them had areas of overspray that made it appear as if they'd be painted.
It would seem that Ford just has a bit more lax quality control regarding the paint.
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Whats the problem with rentals ? Most people renting them are more careful with them then they are with their company car . The cars are cleaned & washed after every rental ,the co fixes any descrepancy note upon it's return so it won't breakdown out in the boonies .
I bought a 01 X that the original buyer was a rental co , 120,000 on it when I got it . Beautiful shape never any problems . Your going thru a normal period called "Buyer Regret " . It will pass in time .
Whats the problem with rentals ? Most people renting them are more careful with them then they are with their company car . The cars are cleaned & washed after every rental ,the co fixes any descrepancy note upon it's return so it won't breakdown out in the boonies .
I bought a 01 X that the original buyer was a rental co , 120,000 on it when I got it . Beautiful shape never any problems . Your going thru a normal period called "Buyer Regret " . It will pass in time .
rentals "IMO" are not the best to buy.
They were drivin by 100's of different people, all different ways.
yes they are kept up on, but very cheaply. the cheapest oil, ect. . .
most of the time rental companies dont keep up on them at all except doing cheap oil changes way past due and cheap brake pads, way past due.
the company cuts cost by any means.
and too, personaly when i get a rental car, i beat the balls off it.
but tthen again if you find one in good condition, they can be very cheap.
so theres the + and -
Whats the problem with rentals ? Most people renting them are more careful with them then they are with their company car . The cars are cleaned & washed after every rental ,the co fixes any descrepancy note upon it's return so it won't breakdown out in the boonies .
I can't speak for all rentals but here is my particular otherwise situation. I had rented 2007 Mustang in month of Jun, Jul, Aug last year. The car had 196 miles on it when I rented. In three months, I put about 12K miles on it. Got two speeding tickets, one at 113 MPH(ho ya it tops that 114MPH stock) and other at 102 MPH (still paying for it in terms of insurance hike). Light burnouts was every day business, screeching at every intersection, donuts etc. All said and done, after I returned it, my buddy rented the same car. After only 2K miles at 14.5K it broke down on way to LA. I believe it must have been fixed by now and probably doing well in private hands. Well that is my case but Excursion would be different.
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Thanks for your replies. In terms of the dealer's responsibilties, are there specific things the dealer has to disclose (i.e. the car was a rental?)
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I dont believe the dealers have to disclose anything other than title issues (salvage, prior salvage, flood, etc.), but that may differ by state.
Ask the dealer if it came from a Ford auction. If so, it is a good chance it was a rental. If is was traded or bought at a normal car auction they might not know what the specific history is unless they sold it new.
I have bought several cars from the Ford auctions thru our local Ford dealer. The vehicles go thru a body shop on site fixing any road rash. My experience has been the work done at the auctions is very clean w/o a bunch of extra overspray, but that might just be the auction we deal with here.
Thanks for your replies. In terms of the dealer's responsibilties, are there specific things the dealer has to disclose (i.e. the car was a rental?)
And what about the brakes? Does anybody have problems with the 2005's breaks or any idea what that little "surge/hop" might be?
Thank you.
Hi, it is not your brakes. I had the exact same thing on my 04 X. It is the slip joint where the driveshaft goes into the trans. It needs to be lubed, there is a TSB out there on it for the SuperDuty but it does not list the Excursion. It is the same problem.
Funny story, I had the same problem went into the dealer and told them what it was and what needed to be done to fix it. I even brought in a copy of the TSB, well they were smarter than me and were not going to listen to what I said and check it out for themselves. So they call later on and say it needs Ball Joints, and new rear leaf springs (48k miles) along with some sway bar bushings. So being under the extended warranty they do all that work and when I come to pick it up it still clunks! So they bring it up on the lift and I tell the tech about the greasing of the slip joint, he mutters under his breath and drops the shaft. 10 minutes later a handful of blue grease and it is all quiet, I laugh the whole way home with my new Ball Joints, Bushings and Leaf Springs.
I would (ASAP) call the DMV and run a title search. There may be a fee, but if it turns out that it was in an accident and the dealer did not disclose it, then they could be in big trouble - that is what you call fraud! If that is the case, I would report it to state attourney for further action.
i can honestly say i never heard of a overspray problem from the mfg... maybe the dealer body shop but not the mfg...
I would have thought the same thing, but as I said I closely examined about 6-7 different brand new Super Duty's on the dealers lot and every single one of them had areas of overspray (fenders wells, between bed and cab, etc.). It was especially noticeable on trucks with two-tone paint.
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'04 Super Duty Lariat 6.0L 4x4, Airbags, Edge w/ Attitude
2007 Laredo 315RL 5'er, 35', 11.5k loaded, Onan 4k onboard
Pictures in Gallery
(Check classifieds for used tuners and gears)
Thank you all! I will try to see if I can get some info from the DMV (title search as MarkMoore suggested) and hopefully get some answers. I will post some pictures of the things I see on the truck. The rear, right side door seems to be a little out of whack. It needs a little more force for it to shut completely. The pictures will show what I mean.
Again thanks to everybody for taking the time to comment.
post those pics, i would like to see what ur talking bout with overspray. Also that door problem seems a little weird. Mayb it got hit at the right rear door?
Dealers have to disclose everything on sale where vehicle will first titled...selling previously owned vehicles, nope. Used is used. Some offer a title history, but in your case it would have been from the one that made the vehicle better. If someone fogged in a vehicle with a few issues, the dealership will attempt to unload similarly. I have seen this at big name places as well. A friend got one at a large dealership...he did title search after purchase and found that it had been salvage previously and dealership gave him choice of vehicle for "holding harmless" the dealership. Purchased a 6000 car and then turned around and got a 12000 mustang for nothing (except original 6k)
It happens. At least you have the extended warranty.
Best wishes.
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I was told by my local dealer they have to disclose a branded title, as in salvaged. He got screwed one time by a customer trading in a pickup that ended up being a salvaged title, but did not find out until nearly a month after the deal went thru. In MT a private party is not required to disclose, but a dealer is.
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