David is the reason I went with the Prosport gauges. He has black out gauges(I think his are SPW)and I liked the blacked out look but he told me about the prosport gauges and SPW and I went with the prosport both are good gauges. And they are not price bad either.
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Sorry bud.. I'm not harping on you but that PDF is really useless.. Simply because 80% of the equipment he has tested is out-dated.. For instance the ISSPRO gauges he used are extremely old, infact I dont even have access to them from ISSPRO.. The DiPricol gauges are 3 generations old, that boost gauge was from the time dinosaurs roamed.
We need to find a newer evaulation or we all need to collaborate and write our own.. I like the idea he has but hope that perhaps he has something more current.. I reviewed his DiPricol negatives and I don't agree with them. I just installed DiPricols this weekend and they respond just as well as my ISSPRO did just before I removed them..
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David is the reason I went with the Prosport gauges. He has black out gauges(I think his are SPW)and I liked the blacked out look but he told me about the prosport gauges and SPW and I went with the prosport both are good gauges. And they are not price bad either.
Prosport gauges are really good quality and not badly priced. the only problem I had with them is that some of their gauges are really deep and won't fit in standard pods.
SPW gauges are hard to find these days, but Megans are available and are also really good. they are standard size & depth. just search for them on fleabay.
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Sorry bud.. I'm not harping on you but that PDF is really useless.. Simply because 80% of the equipment he has tested is out-dated.. For instance the ISSPRO gauges he used are extremely old, infact I dont even have access to them from ISSPRO.. The DiPricol gauges are 3 generations old, that boost gauge was from the time dinosaurs roamed.
We need to find a newer evaulation or we all need to collaborate and write our own.. I like the idea he has but hope that perhaps he has something more current.. I reviewed his DiPricol negatives and I don't agree with them. I just installed DiPricols this weekend and they respond just as well as my ISSPRO did just before I removed them..
I agree the article is outdated. Take it for what it's worth. My take on gauges is that unless they're made with updated materials, gauges are pretty simple devices. One thing I got out of the article is the ergodymanics, I agree with the article that people read left to right and not up and down as with a pillar. I don't want something that's in your face and blocks the view while driving. I don't have gauges yet. I'm thinking of just a pyro, truck already has trans temp in the cluster, maybe a boost gauge too.....
For as long as it take you to install and get the pillar on right you might as well do it right the first time. I got the Isspro and love them but it is a 8 hour install to get everything routed and installed properly. My $.02...
I don't want something that's in your face and blocks the view while driving. I don't have gauges yet. I'm thinking of just a pyro, truck already has trans temp in the cluster, maybe a boost gauge too.....
I had the same concern before I bought gauges. I thought the gauges on the A-pillar would partially obstruct my vision. Well after talking with some folks and seeing some installations they are not obstructive at all. The other gauges I have on the windshield mount and on the lower dash for the air bags tend to take my attention away from the road. The gauges on the A-pillar are much easier to view while maintaining your focus on the road. Just my 2 cents worth while drinking my morning coffee
I had the same concern before I bought gauges. I thought the gauges on the A-pillar would partially obstruct my vision. Well after talking with some folks and seeing some installations they are not obstructive at all. The other gauges I have on the windshield mount and on the lower dash for the air bags tend to take my attention away from the road. The gauges on the A-pillar are much easier to view while maintaining your focus on the road. Just my 2 cents worth while drinking my morning coffee
Really, I think the a-pillar is the way to go then. there are some other alternatives that are more expensive, like the digital units for $150 and up. $300 is a lot but it is what it is. The thing is for me are they really necessary. Unless I drag race it why would I need to know what the boost or tranny temp is. I'm going to do the BTS and 6.0 intercooler mod. I hear that the 6.0 tranny mod will provide all the cooling I'll need so that the tranny temp gauge may not be necessay. Maybe just a single pyro gauge. Truck alrady has a tranny guage in the cluster. Seems like getting a tranny gauge would be redundant.
You can get a full 3 guage set (pyro, boost, tranny temp) from dieselmanor.com for @ $300 with the a - pillar mount.
The stock tranny temp guage leaves alot to be desired. IIRC the stock tranny temp will not move to a hot reading untill the temps get above 225 degrees. The stock in dash tranny guage will move from C to center of mass and sit there all day long, I can watch the aftermarket tranny guage move between 160-190 while towing the camper during the summer. An aftermarket tranny temp guage helped me realize my TC was going bad and when I had a coolant flow restriction.
I asked the same question 3 years ago. Why do I need one when I aready have one. Well the stock one basically will not give you any warnings of an impending problem. By the time it hits H the problem is already there.
Boost guage might not be necessary in some folks mind but it is needed when hunting down a boost leak and to help keep a stock turbo from exceeding the 27 psi mark.
If the $ is not available for the 3 gauges, consider getting the 3 guage A-pillar mount and leave some of the guage pods open. You'll fill them down the road....
Really, I think the a-pillar is the way to go then. there are some other alternatives that are more expensive, like the digital units for $150 and up. $300 is a lot but it is what it is. The thing is for me are they really necessary. Unless I drag race it why would I need to know what the boost or tranny temp is. I'm going to do the BTS and 6.0 intercooler mod. I hear that the 6.0 tranny mod will provide all the cooling I'll need so that the tranny temp gauge may not be necessay. Maybe just a single pyro gauge. Truck alrady has a tranny guage in the cluster. Seems like getting a tranny gauge would be redundant.
What Buffalo said. The one in the dash is basically a glorified idiot light. It reads cold, then normal then hot. When it reads hot it's too late.
If you do any kind of hauling, you will want to keep an eye on the pyro as well as the tranny temp whether you have a 6.0 transcooler or BTS.
BTW, if you are going to put a $3900 transmission in your truck and a 6.0 transcooler that runs at least $300, what in the world are you sweating $325 for guages for?
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1.) it will obstruct my view a little (not too big a deal)
2.) the reflection in the window!
The second one could be dangerous. Every now and then the gauge on the left side of my steering wheel will reflect in the window and freak me out. I couldn't imagine having a pod with 4 gauges reflecting back at me. Only problem is, I am out of room for gauges, and if I want to add more, it will have to be in a pillar or over the mirror, and that is holding me back.
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