igotoneforya - your right, I miss calculated the gal usage.... it should be 3.5gal (or close to).
I'll work my schedule for the 28th. If all else fails, we may have to move to the 5th. I will make every attempt to get my schedule so I can do next sunday. however, 8 am? I don't think so. Let's try something more like 11am. I'm not going to jack my a$$ out of bed early enough to make 8 am.... Not on a Sunday.
I did get 28mpg. Lately I've been towing my work trailer and it's less with the trailer (of course). I'm planning on adding an additional circuit that will bring me closer to the 33mpg. The new circuit will more accuratly adjust the MAP sensor. Should be interesting. I'll test it out during the week next week. If it dosen't work, I'll just remove it and we'll test the system as it is now.
I have a GPS, I was planning on using it to get the exact mile count. Not that it would matter much if we were off by +/- 5%, the increase in gas mileage will still be obvious. But I know how the doubters would "require" the most accurate results.
As far as the gas fill up. I'm not going to fill the fill tube, your just asking for spilling the fuel down the side of my truck. If we use the pump shut off (pressure based system) we will get a fairly good fill. And if we use the same pump and handle, the pressure setting will be the same on both fills. Besides, like you said, 5% to 10% in any direction will make very little differance when you talking 100% + from 12.8mpg.
Let me know if 11am will work better for you. And be sure to post on the 27th to let me know you're still going to be there. I'll also post to confirm the evening of the 27th.
igotoneforya - your right, I miss calculated the gal usage.... it should be 3.5gal (or close to).
Let's try something more like 11am.
or 1000...I do not want to piss away the whole day on this either.
I'm planning on adding an additional circuit that will bring me closer to the 33mpg. The new circuit will more accuratly adjust the MAP sensor.
I do not understand this. What will another circuit do? Another circuit of what?
I have a GPS, I was planning on using it to get the exact mile count. Not that it would matter much if we were off by +/- 5%, the increase in gas mileage will still be obvious.
Agreed, but still nice added accuracy.
As far as the gas fill up. I'm not going to fill the fill tube, your just asking for spilling the fuel down the side of my truck. If we use the pump shut off (pressure based system) we will get a fairly good fill.
Whatever....your truck, you fill how you want. It would be nice if you arrived at the station after driving about 100 miles as well. That way you start with same backpressure as refill. Ideally using about 3.5-4 gallons each time.
Let me know if 11am will work better for you. And be sure to post on the 27th to let me know you're still going to be there. I'll also post to confirm the evening of the 27th.
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Will 11 work better for me-NOPE. I can make most things work though. You never answered as to where we should meet.
How long does the HAFC take to install? Hours, days?
igotoneforya - Bryant Station TN is about 97miles from me... Exit 37 on I65. 10 am on the 27th it is.
The new circuit is use to make a better adjustment to the MAP sensor. That is how I plan to get closer to 33mpg. The 28mpg is already here, so the new circuit won't change mpg in the negative, it should get the mpg up a bit. the circuit changes the voltage output of the MAP to make the computer think that the engine is getting less air and helps lean out the fuel.
the back pressure in the tank? The pressure switch for a fuel shut off is in the pump it's self. I could arrive with 2 gal and it would still fill to about the same (+/- .25gal) of gas. But for the numbers we are talking, the range for 12.8 mpg at 100 miles compaired to 28mpg at 100 miles... that's like 7.8 gal Vs 3.5... So I'm saying, for argument, if the refill is 3.5gal (+/- 0.25gal), we can safely say that the system improved fuel mileage to about 28 mpg.
I'm glad you understand it's my truck and I can fill it anyway I would like.... I'm very picky with how my vehicals are treated... that being said, I smoke in my truck. Somethings are more improtant to me than others.
And lastly, "Piss away an entire day"? I'm offended. I figured putting the debate to rest is a worth while event. If your not that excited, there is a guy in Knoxville who said he could go for a ride. I don't really care for the drive myself, but I do like to prove my point.
igotoneforya - Bryant Station TN is about 97miles from me... Exit 37 on I65. 10 am on the 27th it is.
And lastly, "Piss away an entire day"? I'm offended. I figured putting the debate to rest is a worth while event. If your not that excited, there is a guy in Knoxville who said he could go for a ride. I don't really care for the drive myself, but I do like to prove my point.
K-Bryant station it is. Do you live in North Nashville?
Not doing it first thing in the morning means I will get up, make coffee, read paper, meet you, inspect, drive around, come home and rush off for a 430 appointment thereby not accomplishing anything around the house. If I did this first thing, it would be replacing the paper/coffee thing still giving me time once I return, or giving us more time to BS. Just trying to plan my day best, but 10 is better than 11...may even have time for a meal afterward vs during. I am looking forward to the experiment to put this to rest one way or another.
You did not answer the question as to length of time of system install.
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The system install.... I thought I covered this. The post I put in didn't post.
It took me about a day for the Hydrogen gen, kind of took my time. Could've taken about 3 to 4 hours if I got my a$$ in gear.
The Computer components took about 2 days. I had to fine the right wire diagram, plan my attack and then act on my plan.That too could've been cut down to about 2 hours for install and about 3 hours for the tuning... Depending on how well you know your system and the settings that will help you cut back the fuel (using the O2, IAT and the Coolent temp sensors). So most gear heads could have it installed over the weekend if they had the ambition.
Now these are just estimates on time, but I know that I was multi tasking when I installed the system (my 3 year old made sure of that).
gees...all this bickering about this and that is crazy....if the kit works i'm sure you'll know it so someone just go along and post your findings here...
Everyone here should keep an open mind about all of this because if everything works as advertised then we all win...
Less gas and we can give the middle east the middle finger...
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gees...all this bickering about this and that is crazy.......
thats the point...so stop your bickering and butt out...we have this planned down to the day, time and meeting spot....even before your post...you are not helping.
__________________ 03 V10 Excursion Limited 2WD
4.56LS, 6" Fabtech Lift, 35" PC Xtreme ATs
Line X'd Brush Guard and running boards
FM Super 40 w/dual 3" pipes, RAS
....new avg mpg coming soon....
Still miss my 96 Bronco
HTR- one more post and you can send PMs...then and there I will start a plan on a 2d experiment if you are game.
__________________ 03 V10 Excursion Limited 2WD
4.56LS, 6" Fabtech Lift, 35" PC Xtreme ATs
Line X'd Brush Guard and running boards
FM Super 40 w/dual 3" pipes, RAS
....new avg mpg coming soon....
Still miss my 96 Bronco
thats the point...so stop your bickering and butt out...we have this planned down to the day, time and meeting spot....even before your post...you are not helping.
well, i'm pretty sure i haven't been doing any bickering considering i just said to stop the bickering and just get it done...so, relax buddy and post your findings so we can all have an educated conversation...
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1998 Polaris Indy 650 Triple --she's a runner--
Wow, I'm the crazy ****er that got 25MPG with a homemade hydrogen system, sadly the truck always got good mileage, but the hydrogen system DID, without a question in my mind increase the mileage, from 18-22 ish to 23-25 ish...
How can you get 30MPG with a gasser, when a diesel cant even do that?
Internal combustion engines are 30% effecient, but the % of unburned fuel in newer engines is less than 1% usually.
That means that without changing or adding to the combustion, only 1% better fuel mileage could be achieved.
I personally think that H2 injection has a benefit as a fuel, and also a cleaning agent. Moisture in the engine keeps things cleaner, and also slightly helps the diesel combustion, (IMHO it may help the fuel charge burn quicker, thus same affect as advancing timing).
It is amazing how such a little amount of hydrogen affects an engine that is breathing so much air already, but it does, and people overheating their gas cars on these systems is proof of that.
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igotoneforya - looks like sunday is not going to work. My biggest client has work for me and wants it done this week, so I will be working again this weekend.... I'm now looking at the 5th. BTW, I like about an hour north of Nashville, that's why I wanted to meet at 10am instead of 8am. I would have to leave about 6:30am to make an 8am meeting. However, since I have to push this off a week, I'll meet you at 8am on the 5th.
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