It is a federa law that all fuel has detergents for emmission purposes but I think your top tier fuel may have better detergents than say costco or safeway??????
The same truck that dumps a load of fuel at Costco or Safeway, then drives across town to empty the rest at the local, overpriced Shell station. All of the gas in your town comes from the same refinery, and was made at the same time.
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In other words, I live in Colorado. The Diamond Shamrock, Shell, Union 76, Costco, Sams Club, King Soopers, Safeway, and wherever else all come out of Wyoming. Same gas, same detergents, just the 3 different octane rating of 85, 87 and 89 due to our altitude. We can run 85 up here, even when the manufacturer recommends 87 at a minimum to avoid knocking.
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well before i trade my 04 screw 4x4 for my new 08 screw 4x4, i took it in for the 75k mile service, had all the fulids and plugs changed. i asked the dealer about the plugs breaking off, he said that the dealer or the factory wasn't reponsible for any plugs that broke off, he said i would have to pay the labor just to remove the broken plug, about $75 a hour. well when i went back, i was told they had broken 3 of the plugs, but i was lucky, they got them all out with in a hour, i guess i was lucky!! but there are some threads on here that will tell you how to do it, as long as you take your time, you'll be fine!
well before i trade my 04 screw 4x4 for my new 08 screw 4x4, i took it in for the 75k mile service, had all the fulids and plugs changed. i asked the dealer about the plugs breaking off, he said that the dealer or the factory wasn't reponsible for any plugs that broke off, he said i would have to pay the labor just to remove the broken plug, about $75 a hour. well when i went back, i was told they had broken 3 of the plugs, but i was lucky, they got them all out with in a hour, i guess i was lucky!! but there are some threads on here that will tell you how to do it, as long as you take your time, you'll be fine!
OUt of curiosity why would u spend that kind of money on a truck u are going to trade??????????
got transfered from Camp lejuene out to colorado, need to service it any way. didn't know i was going to get a new one when i had it serviced. but who ever gets it, it was a really good truck, i took good care of it! but i saw the new one, couldn't resist! when i traded the 04, it had about 90k on it. but i'm extremely happy with my new one
got transfered from Camp lejuene out to colorado, need to service it any way. didn't know i was going to get a new one when i had it serviced. but who ever gets it, it was a really good truck, i took good care of it! but i saw the new one, couldn't resist! when i traded the 04, it had about 90k on it. but i'm extremely happy with my new one
I am thinking u will like colorado better than NC, I was at Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo. in 65 was sure glad to get out of there as I am in Wa. state but I did go to Germany rather than vietnam so that part was good, I am waiting for the 09 and I am getting rid of my 04 but it has been a good truck.
I am thinking u will like colorado better than NC, I was at Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo. in 65 was sure glad to get out of there as I am in Wa. state but I did go to Germany rather than vietnam so that part was good, I am waiting for the 09 and I am getting rid of my 04 but it has been a good truck.
I retired in WA (fort lewis) and moved back to Colorado after a couple of tours in the sandbox... I'm sure the Marine will enjoy Colorado better than NC.
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The same truck that dumps a load of fuel at Costco or Safeway, then drives across town to empty the rest at the local, overpriced Shell station. All of the gas in your town comes from the same refinery, and was made at the same time.
Yes it may come from the same refiery or it may not, depending on where you are in relation to the refineries. However it is the detergents that are added that make the difference. I preached the same thing you are until 3 years and 66,000 miles ago. I started keeping a detailed spreadsheet and was shocked to discover it does make a difference. Took me awhile to accept that I got over 1 mpg better with Shell than Exxon. I used to buy the cheapest gas I could find. I discovered that I was not saving money at all. I believe the fact I am running a gas with Techron in it and the fact the dealer tech followed the TSB are the reasons my plugs came out without breaking at 65,500 miles. Keep a spreadsheet and see what results you get. I know the numbers shocked me. Of course, you have to record all conditions as well as how you drove.
And what happens when you bring your truck in at 105k for "routine" maintenance, and ALL the plugs stick in the head? You're still paying for it either way.
yep, but at least you are paying for it at the 100k interval and not at a 30, 40, or any other EARLY interval. and at 100k, the change is a necessity, not just because
you can pretty much guarantee a 50/50 chance of breaking plugs on a early change...so why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone. wait until 100k. IF they break, then at least it's only 1 time...and the change is actually required
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Not flaming, or trying to be insulting, just playing Devil's advocate.
no problem...it just bothers me highly when people change them early and then complain that plugs broke
yep, but at least you are paying for it at the 100k interval and not at a 30, 40, or any other EARLY interval. and at 100k, the change is a necessity, not just because
you can pretty much guarantee a 50/50 chance of breaking plugs on a early change...so why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone. wait until 100k. IF they break, then at least it's only 1 time...and the change is actually required
no problem...it just bothers me highly when people change them early and then complain that plugs broke
So you are saying correct me if im wrong. That if a fellow worked really hard and payed out the azz for a 04 ford truck w/5.4 3 valve and decides he would like to change out plugs early on say 50k its his own damn fault if they break cause ford says you can get 100k out of that plug. In other words the problem would never have existed at 50k so at 100k one just junks the heads and pays for a rebuild then. makes sense to me.... wish i would have waited to 100k and not changed mine out at 41k.
Heck you ought to be spokesman for ford. you made that problem go away! I bet there is quite few that agree with me on this one. Right is Right and wrong is wrong Ford is wrong here not the consumer not changing the plugs does not make it go away. or am I all wet??
I'm not changing mine until it craps out (my 2002). The original owner hadn't changed them, and it now has 140,000 miles on it and runs like new. No, I'm not kidding. By now I'm sure the plugs are "one" with the heads, so I'm not about to screw up that relationship before I have to.
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I'm not changing mine until it craps out (my 2002). The original owner hadn't changed them, and it now has 140,000 miles on it and runs like new. No, I'm not kidding. By now I'm sure the plugs are "one" with the heads, so I'm not about to screw up that relationship before I have to.
The sticking plug issue does not exist in your 02, just the opposite they can blow out taking the threads with them, the seizing problem came into the 04-07 models and was corrected after 10/7/07.
decides he would like to change out plugs early on say 50k its his own damn fault if they break cause ford says you can get 100k out of that plug.
In other words the problem would never have existed at 50k so at 100k one just junks the heads and pays for a rebuild then. makes sense to me.... wish i would have waited to 100k and not changed mine out at 41k.
Right is Right and wrong is wrong Ford is wrong here not the consumer not changing the plugs does not make it go away. or am I all wet??
before you get anymore indignant, look at it from this perspective. The problem exists. Nobody denies it.
So, At 50k your truck runs fine with 0 issues. You pull the plugs "to prevent" them from sticking at 100k. And they do stick, and break. So yes, that is 100% your fault.
We all know it's likely to happen. So what is the point of risking early breakage? Right now we don't have much to work with, and likely it won't get any better. Ford can only do so much to address this issue. I wouldn't be surprised if the 09's have a different head/plug design to fix this.
So, I'll say it again. Leave your plugs alone until 100k. Mucking about with them to prevent a later breakage is pure stupidity. Take that as you will, but it is. Your playing with fire, and will get burned
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