Im guessing that ford is not releasing the hp/tq numbers because they just relized that everyone else bumped up thir numbers alot and they didn't. Maybey they are going to up their initial figures.
I had my 01 4x4 cruising down the hwy. Saturday @ 90 and it drove the same as it did at the speed limit of 70. Smooth with no wobble.
I weighed it the other day. It was a bit over 5200lbs without me in it.
I would say a 09 FX4 will probably weigh in well over 6000lbs. It will take more power to haul the truck around than it does my 260hp 01.
If I didn't ever tow anything, the rental 08 F150 with the 4.6L and 3.55 gears would do me fine, but you can tell, that when under a load in the higher gears, it is missing the power to pull alot of weight. I have not driven a 3V 5.4L to see the difference.
If Ford would put lower gears in these trucks like 4.10's, they would tow even better. The 3.55 gears with 31.7" tall tires are killing my 01. 80mph@2000rpm. Now the new 6-speed auto should cure this problem I would hope.
As far as power numbers go, you must compare sizes. The 5.4L should be compared to 5.3gm, not the 6.0. The V10 is the largest gas engine available, unfortunately, not in the F150.
Oh, the Lightning had 380hp with 2V and a Supercharger.
And the 300hp 4.6L runs pretty darn good in the Mustang GT. But it is 2K lighter too!!!!
Yes thanks fo Al Gore GM dropped the new Northstar V8, but they will have a 6.2L 6 speed combo in 09.
Gm dropped the NorthStar because it was a big piece of crapolla. A 50,000 mile engine. There are tons of these in Caddys around here that knock or tick and smoke. And most sound as if they are running on 6 maybe 7 cylinders.
Al Gore did them a favor.
Pick up trucks in my book should not go over 70..My opinion..For safety reasons for others..
70 mph will get you to the slow lane here, barely. Unless its rush hour 75-80 is the norm in the metro Atlanta area. 70 will work when towing, but will result in a lot of people cutting you off if you'e not. Not saving its right or wrong... but it is the reality.
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My 1967 F250 has 200HP and can go 80mph, tow like a bull, and has an amazing payload. It also gets similar MPG as the new F250. Now what is wrong with this picture?
It won't tow what a new one will, will kill you with its lap belts, no crumple zones and solid steering wheel center should you wreck it (especially if you've got a load) and won't maneuver worth a damn in an emergency. I've driven many 60s Effies and owned one (plus I'm looking to get another 66). Great, strong trucks which are easy to work on but they are more suited to towing less weight at a lower speed than modern trucks. If you've ever had an emergency braking maneuver in one of them with a load (I have)... its scary.
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In my opinion the F150 has gotten so overweight that it needs a 280+hp engine just to be accepted by current owners.
What Ford should have done is lightened the truck back down to around 4500lbs. Installed an engine that would get 28-30 MPG. And point people that need 8000lbs+ towing capabilities to a Super Duty. I know you can buy a well equiped SD for less than a new f150 Screw 6.5'
People would be lined up around the block, trading Chev's & Dodge's, to purchase a 1/2 ton truck that gets 25 MPG+
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In my opinion the F150 has gotten so overweight that it needs a 280+hp engine just to be accepted by current owners.
What Ford should have done is lightened the truck back down to around 4500lbs. Installed an engine that would get 28-30 MPG. And point people that need 8000lbs+ towing capabilities to a Super Duty. I know you can buy a well equiped SD for less than a new f150 Screw 6.5'
They did, it is called the Ranger
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It won't tow what a new one will, will kill you with its lap belts, no crumple zones and solid steering wheel center should you wreck it (especially if you've got a load) and won't maneuver worth a damn in an emergency. I've driven many 60s Effies and owned one (plus I'm looking to get another 66). Great, strong trucks which are easy to work on but they are more suited to towing less weight at a lower speed than modern trucks. If you've ever had an emergency braking maneuver in one of them with a load (I have)... its scary.
I drove a 66 (I think) F-250 one time through campus here. It was fun and got a lot of looks, but stopping was downright scary. 4 non-power assisted drums are NFG in my book. My family used to have a '73 F-250 and I remember my dad telling me how much nicer and easier the newer vehicles were to drive and haul with.
I'd take a newer truck for towing any day of the week.
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So if Ford anounced that the 5.4L in the 09 was bumped up to 400 hp with tq #'s to match, you would be in the " Why do we need that much hp? The current 5.4L is adequate enough".
Yes....because i'd much rather have a 300 HP 5.4 that got 20 mpg vs. a 400 hp 5.4 that continues to get 13mpg mixed (which is what alot of people say they actually get with theirs)
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Yes....because i'd much rather have a 300 HP 5.4 that got 20 mpg vs. a 400 hp 5.4 that continues to get 13mpg mixed (which is what alot of people say they actually get with theirs)
I agree and really you do not need anymore then 300 hp anyways.....
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Regardless, using a gasoline engine to pull around 6000lbs+, your not going to see high mpg numbers.
I agree and you can fight the law of weight ..End of story just wont get better mileage at all
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70 mph will get you to the slow lane here, barely. Unless its rush hour 75-80 is the norm in the metro Atlanta area. 70 will work when towing, but will result in a lot of people cutting you off if you'e not. Not saving its right or wrong... but it is the reality.
yup... there are a bunch of places like that... 70mph on the I10 in phoenix will either get you rear ended or shot or both...
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Great thread. I was wondering the same thing. Reading some of the stuff coming out of the Detroit auto show leads me to believe the performance of the 5.4 will be similar to the current output. Edmunds wrote about the 5.4 "Ford will not release horsepower figures for the 2009 engines. But it's fair to assume that they'll be similar in output to last year's motors."
I love my 2004 with the 5.4, but it really does need some more balls.
Also, is Ford working on a Displacement on Demand technology? I have some friends with the new Chevy with that and they love it. They are claiming great mileage around town (upper teens).
I was really looking forward to the redesign of the 2009. As I look over my wish list of what would make my 2004 go from good to great, I don't see much of it here.
What's Edmunds' take?
"There are some notable improvements here. But there's also notably stiff competition and brand loyalty won't necessarily last forever. Game on"
Shame. From what I have seen so far, I am going to keep my 2004 for a while longer. It is a good machine.
Also, is Ford working on a Displacement on Demand technology? I have some friends with the new Chevy with that and they love it. They are claiming great mileage around town (upper teens).
I have friends who have the new Chevys and a nephew at the local dealership who has one as a demo. Maybe it's because we drive in the mountains but they all have said it hasn't made a bit of difference from the pre-Displacement on Demand engines. I rode with a friend yesterday in his and he said "they said it would get 20MPG but it gets 15".
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because it was a big piece of crapolla. A 50,000 mile engine. There are tons of these in Caddys around here that knock or tick and smoke. And most sound as if they are running on 6 maybe 7 cylinders.
