If this is your complaint, you need torque, 18 wheelers are made to tow and they rarely have over 325 HP, Towing is all about torque. I heard the new 5.4 is supposed to have about 385 lbs, that mounted to a 6 speed will have plenty of accessable power. Look at the specs on the dodge and toyota, the power is all high end, you do not use high end power, what you want is low end.
In theory I agree with you. Well how much more tq does an 08 5.4 have over a 08 5.3L @ 30 I Think, yet if the 5.3L has even 3.73 never mind 4.10's, it will out pull the 5.4L. So be in tranny, weight, whatever the problem is, lets get it fixed so our trucks perform like the motors #'s suggest they should:
Perhaps with the 09 having the better tranny some of that diff will be erased, but it'll take much more than 10 hp and a 6 speed to close the gap. Espically with Gm/Dodge at 380 and Toyota @ 381. And both Dodge/Toyota over 400lb lbs of tq (can't recall GM) you can slice the cake any way you wnat, we have lots of ground to make up...
Top-range engine (at least until the hush-hush 6.2-liter "Hurricane" V-8 makes its debut with the new-generation Harley-Davidson edition) is the familiar 5.4-liter Triton V-8.
When will the harley debut??? Lets not forget that motor trend is also the one who said that the 6.4L would be in the F-150. Also I remember that ford under rated the 04 in towing to make the competition think that they won so hopefully ford just did that again, or the numbers aren't true at all. Well I agree that ford needs more power in the there trucks. At least 350 hp and over 400 ft lbs of torque to compete.
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I think Ford is in trouble cause if thats true, I will not buy a Ford. I want a gasser and I want more. Plain and simple. And if a loyal FORD guy like me is finally ready to bail, than how many others are too.
People want more Hp whether they actaully need/use it who cares... Look at Toyotas sales, they totally underestimated the demand for the 5.7 vs the 4.7. Does the typical Toyota driver need more than the 4.7? No. But what do they buy...
I never said the hemi didn't have problems. But owning a 04 for over 4 years now, I also know the 5.4 has more than enough of its own.
If you don't know what the big deal is fine, But perhaps you should tow a camper and merge into traffic on a hot day and see if you have any desire for more HP.... Might shed some light.
If you are towing and not street racing its torque you need to get that rig moving!
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If you are towing and not street racing its torque you need to get that rig moving!
Well said jimmyb!
These hp wars are foolish...especially with trucks. The everyday driver does not need a 4x4 with 380+ hp to go get groceries or take the kids to soccer games. Now...if you are talking about a lightening "special" truck...then ok.
Also...the reason more people are buying the Toyota 5.7L is that is what is on the lot. Kind of like the 2008 Superduty trucks. Why so many people are buying with the 6.4L PSD...because that is what is on the lot. If you want a gaser in the 2008 Superduty...guess you can wait 8-12 weeks while it is ordered.
IMO...the days of 15 or 16 mpg with a 1/2 ton truck should be the thing of the past. If FORD could come out with a high mpg 4x4 truck...it will boost sales.
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If you don't know what the big deal is fine, But perhaps you should tow a camper and merge into traffic on a hot day and see if you have any desire for more HP.... Might shed some light.
this just shows the problem, you don't really want more horsepower...you want more torque and you want it at a usable rpm range. you'll never use 380 hp at 6000 rpm towing a camper
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I for one hope that ford does come out with the 6.2 boss because as a long time ford guy (never bought anything other than ford for 43 years) I to will be looking at dodge for my next truck.
Being biased is not a bad thing but when you get past the fact that ford or any other company could give a shi@ about you, you will better off. I thought for a long time ford hung the moon. Now I could care less about them if there not going to give me what I want in a truck.
See...now that makes me wonder what kept you at ford for 43 years.....it hasn't been the numbers for the last 43 years...because plenty of those years ford didn't have the high numbers.....I'm guessing that you bought them because they worked harder, lasted longer, and were good trucks. None of that has changed, but I think you've blindly jumped on the HP bandwagon.....my gut says that even if fords numbers don't increase, you'll go drive a dodge, and then buy a ford. I did....
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this just shows the problem, you don't really want more horsepower...you want more torque and you want it at a usable rpm range. you'll never use 380 hp at 6000 rpm towing a camper
Well all those 380 hp engines all happen to have over 400 fr lbs of tq, so if for can get that kind of of tq out of a 310 hp 5.4L gasser, then I'll quite b#ithcin. The main point is we need more.
Jeeze, If you need 400/400 to tow something, your in the wrong rig in the first place.
Go buy a Superduty, and quit complaining.
99% of these trucks will NEVER see anything close to the GVW. They don't need to have 400 HP! They need to get 25 MPG! That's what will get people in to buy them.
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See...now that makes me wonder what kept you at ford for 43 years.....it hasn't been the numbers for the last 43 years...because plenty of those years ford didn't have the high numbers.....I'm guessing that you bought them because they worked harder, lasted longer, and were good trucks. None of that has changed, but I think you've blindly jumped on the HP bandwagon.....my gut says that even if fords numbers don't increase, you'll go drive a dodge, and then buy a ford. I did....
Why did I buy ford all those years?? They HAD a better truck but not anymore. Dodge and GM build as good a truck if not better than ford now. And I didn't just jump on the HP bandwagon, I was going to give ford one last chance to prove they could build a truck with some HP and so far they have not done that. So my next truck will be a dodge unless ford comes out with the 6.2 boss or atleast say they are in the next year or so.
Now will I ever buy a ford again YES but not untill they get the HP up to what I want.
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