I think Dodge really has something going for it. The bed boxes are brilliant. I'm sold on that alone. Maybe down the road offer them on a long box. And keep the doors 20 inches or so from the the cab so a crossover toolbox would still fit is extra storage was needed. I have to ask though. Is the center console standard on all trim levels or just the high end trim levels? That's the only thing about the Dodge I don't like from the pics. I'm still look for interior pics of the Dodge regular cab. I'm not a fan of crew cabs on a half ton.
Those bed boxes will not be free. And the limitations I'm thinking that would result from box being there is going to limit the purchases of that option. I for one would not want the boxes. I have an across the bed box I bought at Home Depot for $125.00. Is it pretty? Ummmm. It's OK. Does it do the job? Yup! Can I remove it? You bet, in about two minutes, and I have a bigger full size bed to haul, move my kids furniture. No boundaries. The Dodge? Good idea for someone like a carpenter. Not a suburbanite thing.
Those bed boxes will not be free. And the limitations I'm thinking that would result from box being there is going to limit the purchases of that option. I for one would not want the boxes. I have an across the bed box I bought at Home Depot for $125.00. Is it pretty? Ummmm. It's OK. Does it do the job? Yup! Can I remove it? You bet, in about two minutes, and I have a bigger full size bed to haul, move my kids furniture. No boundaries. The Dodge? Good idea for someone like a carpenter. Not a suburbanite thing.
Good call on being perfect for a carpenter. I like the fact that Dodge took useless space and used it for storage. I had the tool chest across the back of my truck also, ( didn't look bad ) but try and grab something that slid the middle of the box...
I would hope that Dodge has sealed those with weather stripping or some sort of seal to keep rain, snow, and more importantly road salt out of there.
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At this point I'd buy the Dodge over the new '09 Ford. Looks better, has dual exhausts from the factory with bumper cutouts (ultra cool), 380 HP, 404 lb-ft of torque versus 310 HP, 375 lb-ft of torque, and they'll both get about the same mileage. Plus, on the Dodge you can pull the sparkplugs in one piece! And, I'm a four time repeat Ford truck buyer (3 Rangers and an '03 F150 KR SuperCab).
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1969 El Camino SS396 (325 HP)
1970 Dodge Coronet R/T (440, 375 HP)
2001 Camaro SS (5.7L, 335 HP)
2003 F150 King Ranch SuperCab (daily driver, 5.4L, 260HP)
2008 Corvette Z06 (7.0L, 505HP)
What can I say, I like American V-8's!
Those bed boxes will not be free. And the limitations I'm thinking that would result from box being there is going to limit the purchases of that option.
I thinks it's a given that it would be an option at extra$$. I think it would be a alterative to the topside boxes. I imagine the milage would be improved somewhat by these Dodge boxes as opposed to the topside boxes.
I know what my next truck is going to be! Who ever says the new Dodge isn't a nice truck is on glue.
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I thinks it's a given that it would be an option at extra$$. I think it would be a alterative to the topside boxes. I imagine the milage would be improved somewhat by these Dodge boxes as opposed to the topside boxes.
IMHO, the mpg in something like this is a non-issue. If you can afford to buy the truck and then buy the upcoming $5.00/gallon gas mileage won't matter. If mileage is an issue, you better be looking elsewhere for something to drive.
That is pathetic. ANd Like i previously stated earlier, they are spinning the engine faster to get higher output.
So what are the specific outputs of the engines at the lower rpms that you are refering to. Sorry, I don't know what the current crop of engines are rated at, but you seem to have a handle on it. What are the ratings at what rpm?
IMHO, the mpg in something like this is a non-issue. If you can afford to buy the truck and then buy the upcoming $5.00/gallon gas mileage won't matter. If mileage is an issue, you better be looking elsewhere for something to drive.
That's a pretty ignorant statement. What about us hundreds of thousands of contractors? We need to get improved MPG, just to keep our profit margins the same.
Why in the heck does a F150 need 400HP?? Ford shouldnt' be worried about that.
Ford has the F SERIES, and GM has the Sierra SERIES. Not just one model, ala Toyota/Nissan.
If your such a power hungry, towing, hauling freak. Step up to the plate, and put your money where your mouth is. The PSD and V10 are what your looking for.
Quit pissin and moaning about a 1/2 ton truck beeing under powered.
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So what are the specific outputs of the engines at the lower rpms that you are refering to. Sorry, I don't know what the current crop of engines are rated at, but you seem to have a handle on it. What are the ratings at what rpm?
Um, I was comparing the new improved 2009 5.4 to the old one. The old engine was 300hp @5000 rpm, new one is a whopping 10 more hp yet at a higher 5500 rpm. Same torque peak rpm though at 3750 wiht only 10 more ft/lbs. So basically they changed the calibration of the motor, to spin a little faster, and gain a minimal amount of power. something a person could do with a tuner.
I own a truck with a 5.4, and I like the thing, but it just isn't going to cut it with just a freshened front end. A while back I stated , that in order to get more hp out of the 5.4, they will have to spin it faster. A person argued that they wouldn't do it that way, this just proved my case.
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They just need another engine option available already i always hear about a 6.2l boss well why in the hell not for people who want power but keep the 5.4 4.6 etc plus they maybe puttin in a 4.4l V8 diesel in the F150
The article on pickuptruck.com stated that Ford will be introducing new engines for the 2010 model year, including a sixer. I think 2009 will be the last year for the 5.4 and 4.6 Triton motors (as well as the V10), but it's anybody's guess.
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Um, I was comparing the new improved 2009 5.4 to the old one. The old engine was 300hp @5000 rpm, new one is a whopping 10 more hp yet at a higher 5500 rpm. Same torque peak rpm though at 3750 wiht only 10 more ft/lbs. So basically they changed the calibration of the motor, to spin a little faster, and gain a minimal amount of power. something a person could do with a tuner.
I own a truck with a 5.4, and I like the thing, but it just isn't going to cut it with just a freshened front end. A while back I stated , that in order to get more hp out of the 5.4, they will have to spin it faster. A person argued that they wouldn't do it that way, this just proved my case.
Right! I have been around stationary power plants in the past. Mostly diesels powering engine generators. And the cheaper throw away E/G umits always spin fast. Cheaper power at higher rpms... Run them for ten years and get a new one. This philosophy works great if you use them and take care of them like they are supposed to be. But, inevitably the engine sucks up a piston or blows the head gasket and then no more power. So to spin a engine faster is nothing new. I was just unsure of what you were asserting. Missed your earlier post. BTW, there is nothing wrong with spinning it faster in truck applications for ratings. 5500 rpm is far from the engines capabilities structure wise, even if it isn't forged on the bottom end. It's really not putting out any more hp at 5000 rpm. They just chose to rate it at a higher rpm for the rating. Maybe not even a factory tune difference.
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