What people have the baddest II's?

[tbolt 460]

how deep is that one???

[HappyJack]

I'll measure as soon as I can find something to measure with, but doesn't the RBV's use a crank shaft spacer? Seems I remember reading something about even the low stall F-38LS havin a 3200 rpm flash hince the reason of usin the F-40 V-8 converter. So couldn't you just use the A4LD crank shaft spacer that has the larger .825 pilot or "nose" over the smaller .750 F-38 opening? Or are there other differences?

[tbolt 460]

i dont think the hole in the flywheel is big enough. im at work so i cant check. but i will tomorrow

[tbolt 460]

i put this on a 2.9. i allready have one on a 302

[tbolt 460]

im put this on a 2.9. i allready have one on a 302

[tbolt 460]

im put this on a 2.9. i allready have one on a 302

[tbolt 460]

im putting this on a 2.9. i allready have one on a 302

[HappyJack]

Thats what I was afraid of. I don't have access to good cross reference and I have to take the few specs I have listed on one site and try to apply it to some incomplete specs on anther site. So I guess what your saying is the "nose" or pilot is the larger 1.375 diameter that would require turning down and reblancing the converter?

[HappyJack]

The tranny site I've been using lists the converter numbers as F-??. But the specs are incomplete. The auto parts store site I've been using has some bad info and has part numbers for the converters as FM??(?) but more specs. No wonder there is so much bad info posted on sites these days. I went through all this when I was doing mine and just gave up and used the F-38 converter. The 6.25 bell housing number you gave is a 157 tooth V-8 bell number. I'm not sure that it applies in this case as I said that there is a crank spacer used. I have a c-5 burried out in the back with the RBV bell housing on it. This 70's c-4 bell I have measures 6 11/16. These are the only two bell housings that will connect the c-4/5 and the 2.8, 2.9 and 4.0. If you know of a site that lists the full specs of "all" the Ford torque converters that would be a help. I would think it would be more difficult to rework the spacer and flywheel (and rebalance the fly wheel) and maintain centers than it would be to have the nose of the converter turned down and rebalanced. But I don't know if you can turn the nose down that much or not. I would use the A4LD spacer though with the larger .825 opening if I was going to try it.

I have found places that I can get the F-38LS. But the "nose" is longer and may need some work on the spacer to fit. And I'm not sure I'd get rid of that 3200 rpm flash. If you can give me any help on that it would be great. As I will need to go through this again in the near future.

[tbolt 460]

F38
Converter, C4 / C5 , 10 inch *R & R only
*R & R only ! Send your rebuildable core in to us and we will have it rebuilt *Special order...
NON-LOCK-UP APPLICATION
10 inch dia., 26 splines, .750 inch pilot, 8 boss front, spot welds around hub and slanted fins
High Stall 1974-78 4 cyl applications, Mustang, Pinto & 2.8L ...info->

$89.00
# F38LS
Converter, C4 , 10 inch *R & R Only
*R & R only ! Send your rebuildable core in to us and we will have it rebuilt *Special order...
10 inch dia., 26 splines, .750 inch pilot, 8 boss front, Straight fins .
LOW Stall 1974-78 6 cyl. Mustang ...info->

$89.00
# F40
Converter, C4 Late 10 inch, stamped CP DS
*Email for availability
10 inch dia. 26 spline, 1.375 pilot, flats on hub
Use with special bell housing and flywheel only
STAMPED: CP, DS
1975-78 Mustang 302

[HappyJack]

PRO-KING AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTS - Torque Converter

Item No: FM117 F-38?

1 Per Vehicle
1 year limited warranty
NON-LOCKUP
w/C-4 TRANSMISSION
10" DIAMETER
26 SPLINES
0.750" (0.826" LONG) PILOT
MILLED FLAT HUB
4 STUD MOUNT
HIGH STALL-2600, RIB ANGLE 45 DEGREES, BOLT CIRCLE 9.3"

	PRO-KING AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTS - Torque Converter Item No: FM118 F-38LS?
	1 Per Vehicle 1 year limited warranty NON-LOCKUP w/C-4 TRANSISSION 10" DIAMETER 26 SPLINES 0.750" (1.22" LONG) PILOT MILLED FLAT HUB 4 STUD MOUNT LOW STALL, RIBS STRAIGHT, 8 BOSS FRONT, BOLT CIRCLE 9.3"

	PRO-KING AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTS - Torque Converter Item No: FM120 F-40?
	1 Per Vehicle 1 year limited warranty NON-LOCKUP w/C-4 TRANSMISSION 10" DIAMETER 26 SPLINES 1.375" (7/8" LONG) PILOT MILLED FLAT HUB 4 STUD MOUNT ID CODE CP, DS, BOLT CIRCLE 9.3"

I have sources that I can get all of those. What was throughing me was the converter below that is listed as a High Stall also.

	PRO-KING AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTS - Torque Converter Item No: FM113 F-???? (F-32 maybe)
	1 Per Vehicle 1 year limited warranty NON-LOCKUP w/C-4 TRANSMISSION 10" DIAMETER 26 SPLINES 0.825" (0.98" LONG) PILOT MILLED FLAT HUB 4 STUD MOUNT HIGH STALL, ID CODE BU, RIBS ANGLED 60 DEGREES, BOLT CIRCLE 9.3"

Think maybe we could see about moving our posts to a "C-5/4 Tranny" thread?

[HappyJack]

I received your pic's. I think the only difference in the crankshaft spacers are the hole for the pilot or nose of the converter. You should be able to find that out as you have both. And I did use the C-5 Flexplate with the C-5 RBV bell housing. Wish I had a site with all the measurements listed below for all the C-4/5 tranny's

[LTBeck41]

Using the old school defenition of BAD...my BII is really bad! In fact it is a total peice of SH&T! Hope some day that it will idle, drive,stop and do 4x4 tricks. So far it keeps quite a few pine needles from making it to the driveway. I'd post a picture but the camera keeps snapping shut whenever I point it at the truck!