here are a couple net sites for you, the newtechspy.com one is the best of the two.
Thanks. I had not seen those. Not saying I believe it will happen. That would make the latest government mandate of 35 mpg average by 2020 a meaningless gesture. Oh wait, it's the government.
If such a thing gave the F150 a 60 mpg rating, small sedans should be over 100 mpg. Would be very nice.
Can anyone tell me if the small high revving european car diesels, (especially the turboed models) last longer than the equivalent gasoline engines?
I can't vouch for any of the newer European diesels, but I owned a VW Rabbit diesel in the 80s that went over 230,000 miles without ever having the valve cover off. Real 48-50mpg. Went through 3 or 4 sets of CV joints, though. I sold it for 70% of the original purchase price. It was the most cost efficient vehicle I ever owned.
Dale
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1969 Chevrolet C10 350
1976 Ford F250 360
1982 Nissan 2.2 Diesel
1986 Ford Ranger 4x4 2.3
1992 Ford F150 4x4 5.8
1997 Dodge 3500 4x4 5.9 Diesel
Current trucks:
1950 Chevolet 3800 235
1991 Ford Aeromax L-8000 7.8 Diesel
2006 Ford F150 Lariat 4x4 5.4
I can't vouch for any of the newer European diesels, but I owned a VW Rabbit diesel in the 80s that went over 230,000 miles without ever having the valve cover off. Real 48-50mpg. Went through 3 or 4 sets of CV joints, though. I sold it for 70% of the original purchase price. It was the most cost efficient vehicle I ever owned.
Dale
yep, my grandparents also owned a '81 vw rabbit diesel w/4 speed manaul (probably only non-ford they ever owned) At one point in the mid 80's they went on a 600 mi. round trip.(all highway) They never needed to stop for gas once and thats with a 10 gallon tank. probably the best real life milege i have ever heard of, including hybrids. The bad side of all this was that the car had an amazing 52 hp and 76ft/lbs of torque at well over 5k rpms. It also was made of extremly thin materals. however, it did what it was supposed to do well.
did yours get 48-50 in city, highway or mixed?
i fully beleive that if ford puts an well build, decently powered turbo diesel (200 hp and 450 tq) in the f150, they will beable to get 25 or more highway mpg out of it.
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1994 f150 4x2 reg cab I-6, 5spd
ain't no such thing as too much overkill.
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yep, my grandparents also owned a '81 vw rabbit diesel w/4 speed manaul (probably only non-ford they ever owned) At one point in the mid 80's they went on a 600 mi. round trip.(all highway) They never needed to stop for gas once and thats with a 10 gallon tank. probably the best real life milege i have ever heard of, including hybrids. The bad side of all this was that the car had an amazing 52 hp and 76ft/lbs of torque at well over 5k rpms. It also was made of extremly thin materals. however, it did what it was supposed to do well.
I remember them well. They and diesel Chevettes would get passed by loaded tractor trailers on upgrades. They were named wrong. They weren't rabbits, they were turtles.
The MOPAR 2.2 engine used in the K cars were a copy of the VW engine (and the first FWD MOPARS used the VW engine). they were built with the intent of making them diesel later on but the GM diesel disaster scared people away from diesels before they were developed.
If GM had not scared the car buying public away from diesels with their failed 350 diesel conversion, the USA would probably have a lot of diesel cars on the road by now. I had GMs 4.3 V6 diesel in a 83 Celebrity and didn't have any engine problems. However, everything else on the car broke before the company car lease was up.
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2004 XLT Regular Cab, Short Bed, 4X4 with 5.4 and 3.73.
Hope I don't offend anyone here, but I'm pretty sure the hydraulic hybrid us bull****, the numbers for such high MPG just don't add up.....
Something to consider for the debate of europian VS american diesels is that while emissions are getting more strick in this part of the world, the quality of fuel is higher in europe, so automakers are forced to take up the slack by placing more burdens on the diesel engines to meet the new standards.
I'm not sure I agree with gasoline DI being better than diesel DI though, diesel still has higher BTUs (even ULSD) than gasoline, and biodiesel is cheaper to make than ethanol.
It is interesting to note that although horsepower has gone through the roof, MPGs have not improved very much in the last 20 years.
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1986 F250HD Ex cab Fresh built up 6.9L diesel Lariat AC leather seats power everything w/full cluster, sterling rear 3.08LS gears, E4OD trans, ram intake ATS 088 turbo
1986 F150 Ex cab Lariat rollercam 5.0L on LPG AOD trans 3.55 gears 390 000Ks
I have heard some pretty bad claims, but that's twice as bad as most.
I'm sure it can do 20 mpg, just not in the real world. I believe its called hyper mileing, basically they put the vehicle in the most unrealisticly perfect conditions, and THEN test MPG, so technically its not a complete fabrication. Usually the testing is done at low speed (<35 mph) on an oval track at constant speed.
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1986 F250HD Ex cab Fresh built up 6.9L diesel Lariat AC leather seats power everything w/full cluster, sterling rear 3.08LS gears, E4OD trans, ram intake ATS 088 turbo
1986 F150 Ex cab Lariat rollercam 5.0L on LPG AOD trans 3.55 gears 390 000Ks
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