Ford Truck Enthusiasts, The Internet's Leading Ford Trucks Resource, F150
 

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Diesel > 1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
New! Use your Facebook, Google, AIM & Yahoo accounts to securely log into this site, click logo to login  

1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel SPONSORED BY:






Is F-150 Still King?
 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #46 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 10:03 AM
F250_'s Avatar
F250_ F250_ is offline
Still learning every day!
2002 Ford F-250
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 5,679
F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of
Here are some additional thoughts we need to keep in mind.

1. This "Brown's gas" is a mixture of oxygen AND hydrogen, and it is EXPLOSIVE. Do NOT ever forget that part!! This means that parkland's efforts at building a storage tank is very risky.... it will be a bomb waiting to explode unless things are done very, VERY carefully. The flame arrestor is a valid issue on this point, and might even be worth including in the general design for the "non-storage" system.

2. What about including an auto-power down feature tied to s signal fomr the PCM so that generation stops once the engine is either down or just idling?

3. How about using a variable signal to generate a variable voltage input so that the gas to air ratio entering the intake remains constant under varying loads?

4. Finally... a remote on/off switch in the cab so you can take the power off whenever you feel it might be necessary.

To determine these controls features, we need to get a definition of the Lower Explosive Limit (LEL) for Brown's gas, and under what temperatures this is an issue. We also need to closely approximate the rate of gas generation versus applied voltage and electrode surface area (whether plates are overkill or not). Another point is where the best control signal should come from... boost gauge (to determine feed ratio based on air intake), MAF, rpm, fuel flow, etc., and then determine how to make that variable signal control the gas generation rate proportionately. Get the concentration too high in a hot intake system and something's going to BLOW!

Where's Ernest?
__________________


http://guzzle.rbmicro.com/7pt3/Mods.html

Become a SUPPORTER!!

Last edited by F250_; 12-12-2007 at 10:10 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #47 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 10:05 AM
Kwikkordead's Avatar
Kwikkordead Kwikkordead is offline
Jesus spoke a lot
1999 Ford F-550
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: North Seattle, WA.
Posts: 18,688
Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future
Yeah the surface area is a LOT larger, perhaps only two plates a positive and a negative would only be necessary.
Mostly looking for something rugged and long lasting right now.
__________________
Dan
1999 F550 4x4 ZF6 pulling a Cedar Creek 36RLTS. Lotta mods.
1999 VW Jetta TDI 5speed stick, all stock.
1996 Audi A4 Quattro. Unstoppable in the snow and ice.
God and Dog
Reply With Quote
  #48 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 10:05 AM
rebelchevy02's Avatar
rebelchevy02 rebelchevy02 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Milroy, PA
Posts: 2,100
rebelchevy02 has a very good reputation on FTE. rebelchevy02 has a very good reputation on FTE. rebelchevy02 has a very good reputation on FTE.
I have a couple of questions to the origional poster. 1 Have you measured current to see how much current is being consumed during your process? 2 What is your fuse rated at?
__________________
Mike AKA "Speedy"
02 F250, 4x4, PSD, Auto, 215+k on the ticker
fueled .
http://www.roadsidehelpnetwork.info
Reply With Quote
  #49 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 10:12 AM
rmilchman rmilchman is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Robbinsville NJ
Posts: 849
rmilchman is starting off with a positive reputation.
It's been said that it's explosive. What about the glow plugs?
__________________
2002 F-350 4X4 CC PSD. straight pipe, k&n air box, tuner, 203 thermostat, mag-hytek tranny pan, tranny springs and valve, ranchhand bumper, air horns
Reply With Quote
  #50 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 10:17 AM
Kwikkordead's Avatar
Kwikkordead Kwikkordead is offline
Jesus spoke a lot
1999 Ford F-550
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: North Seattle, WA.
Posts: 18,688
Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future
Put a switch on the dash and don't turn it on until you are underway. That circuit should also pass through a throttle position switch that kills the power at idle.
Something like this would work nicely.
__________________
Dan
1999 F550 4x4 ZF6 pulling a Cedar Creek 36RLTS. Lotta mods.
1999 VW Jetta TDI 5speed stick, all stock.
1996 Audi A4 Quattro. Unstoppable in the snow and ice.
God and Dog
Reply With Quote
  #51 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 10:21 AM
Kwikkordead's Avatar
Kwikkordead Kwikkordead is offline
Jesus spoke a lot
1999 Ford F-550
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: North Seattle, WA.
Posts: 18,688
Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future
Also, I probably will end up stationing the bucket outside of the cabinet on my truck, in the bed, for a while just in case it decides to blow the lid off the bucket for some reason. Probably will also cut a big hole in the lid of the bucket that I will tape shut with some duct tape as a safety "blow off valve". It's a lot easier to retape a 6" hole shut and change my shorts, than to try and replace a cracked bucket.
__________________
Dan
1999 F550 4x4 ZF6 pulling a Cedar Creek 36RLTS. Lotta mods.
1999 VW Jetta TDI 5speed stick, all stock.
1996 Audi A4 Quattro. Unstoppable in the snow and ice.
God and Dog
Reply With Quote
  #52 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 12:57 PM
ggirten's Avatar
ggirten ggirten is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Western Kentucky
Posts: 400
ggirten is starting off with a positive reputation.
These guys have worked it out and will sell you a generator with all the goodies. A little pricey, but it probably won't blow up.

http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/index.html
__________________
Greg

99 F250 SD ext. cab 4x4 7.3l Diesel
V10 Tranny cooler plus heavy duty tranny cooler
Harpoon mod, Tymar mod, Dfuser 18k, TS Performance Chip stock, high idle, 50,75,100,140 hp,
2.5 leveling shackles, Cat & muffler delete
boost, tranny temp and EGT gauges
Reply With Quote
  #53 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 01:46 PM
F250_'s Avatar
F250_ F250_ is offline
Still learning every day!
2002 Ford F-250
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 5,679
F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of F250_ has much to be proud of
Payback on one of those systems for me, driving at 23,000 miles per year, is somewhere between 1.0 and 1.5 years. I don't have the spare cash to invest in one, and it's a whole lot more fun to "build your own".
__________________


http://guzzle.rbmicro.com/7pt3/Mods.html

Become a SUPPORTER!!
Reply With Quote
  #54 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 01:51 PM
mudmaker's Avatar
mudmaker mudmaker is offline
Posting Guru
2002 Ford F-350
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Severance, Colorado
Posts: 2,188
mudmaker has a good reputation on FTE. mudmaker has a good reputation on FTE. mudmaker has a good reputation on FTE.
How much water does it take? Do you need a 5 gallon bucket or could it be done with something smaller, easier to store?

Need to insulate the bucket in cold climates, or at least heat it off the pickups heater somehow. Could even put a heater in to keep it thawed at night when the pickups plugged in I guess.
__________________
Marc


2002 F350 SRW CC LB 4X4, PSD, 6637, CCV, Pretty much Stock
2002 Excursion Limited 4X4, PSD, 6637, CCV, Gauges, superchip(for now)
Reply With Quote
  #55 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 03:41 PM
Izzy351's Avatar
Izzy351 Izzy351 is offline
Getting Faster...
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas-Ft. Worth
Posts: 11,267
Izzy351 has much to be proud of Izzy351 has much to be proud of Izzy351 has much to be proud of Izzy351 has much to be proud of Izzy351 has much to be proud of Izzy351 has much to be proud of Izzy351 has much to be proud of Izzy351 has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwikkordead
Also, I probably will end up stationing the bucket outside of the cabinet on my truck, in the bed, for a while just in case it decides to blow the lid off the bucket for some reason. Probably will also cut a big hole in the lid of the bucket that I will tape shut with some duct tape as a safety "blow off valve". It's a lot easier to retape a 6" hole shut and change my shorts, than to try and replace a cracked bucket.
That's what I had in mind, also Dan. I was actually thinking about a water hose connection on top with a valve in the bottom for easy drain & refill. It would keep you from having to disturb everything inside removing the top to empty & refill. The hose connection on top could easily be used as the "blow-off/shorts-saver" valve...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #56 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 04:55 PM
largefries's Avatar
largefries largefries is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Maple Ridge, Canada
Posts: 132
largefries is starting off with a positive reputation.
This concept is very interesting and pretty cool. BUT, I have a couple of questions about the theory. 1. when you burn hydrogen I understand it turns back into water. water is very bad in our engine's cylinders, and probably turbo. 2. like people have mentioned, hydrogen is very explosive, I think more so than gasoline. I wouldn't be putting gasoline into the intake. 3. does parkland have any gauges to tell the egt's. I hear alot of talk about this with the addition of chips and still using diesel, let alone burning another fuel source.
Reply With Quote
  #57 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 05:16 PM
eatfish's Avatar
eatfish eatfish is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 156
eatfish is starting off with a positive reputation.
Any combustion reaction starting with hydrocarbons (gas or diesel) produces water. Unlike combustion of hydrogen, they also produce carbon dioxide. I have heard of guys doing this process with high compression gasoline motors.
Reply With Quote
  #58 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 05:50 PM
Kwikkordead's Avatar
Kwikkordead Kwikkordead is offline
Jesus spoke a lot
1999 Ford F-550
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: North Seattle, WA.
Posts: 18,688
Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future Kwikkordead has a brilliant future
So how is this going to effect our carbon credits, taking water and making a bunch of CO2? (sarcasm alert)
__________________
Dan
1999 F550 4x4 ZF6 pulling a Cedar Creek 36RLTS. Lotta mods.
1999 VW Jetta TDI 5speed stick, all stock.
1996 Audi A4 Quattro. Unstoppable in the snow and ice.
God and Dog
Reply With Quote
  #59 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 06:03 PM
tholt34's Avatar
tholt34 tholt34 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 222
tholt34 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Maybe i missed something in the post, but do u you need to regulate how much hydrogen is introduced into the intake or does it really matter? Would it have to be done b4 the filter or would it matter if u did it after the air filter?
__________________
Tim, 25

2000 F250 Extended Cab, 3.73's, 4x4. 5 inch straight pipe, 6637 mod, DP-Tuner No start, Stock, 60 tow, 80 eco, 120 race, edge evo II(for gauges only), WW, DFuser t/c lock, Aih removed with sensor eliminator wire, CCV mod, HPX line, Purediesel Power oversized tranny cooler. 285/75-16 kumho road ventures, leveling kit.
Reply With Quote
  #60 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2007, 06:10 PM
dartman48 dartman48 is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 27
dartman48 is starting off with a positive reputation.
SS Wall Plates

I used a search engine and found a "shade tree inventor" that built an H2 Generator using Stainless Steel Cover Plates (like switch plates, only blanks). He used a bunch of them, but few may be just as effective.
I too will be working to build one of these. My concern is: what is the optimal location to flow the Browne's Gas into the air flow system?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
07 , 2002 , 73 , differences , duramax , f250 , famisto8yahoocom , ford , hanger , homemade , hydrogen , kit , sale , specs , systems , trucks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:37 PM.

Guidelines - Contact Us - Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Archive - Top

Powered by: vBulletin | Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC7 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 1997-2008 Internet Brands, Inc.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.