2007 DURAMAX wiped by my 2002 7.3

[alchymist]

No source, but they shouldn't be too hard to make .....take a length of teflon rod, drill a series of small holes around the outer edge, and one in the middle to fit the ss rod, (make it a tight fit). The just saw them off in 1/4 inch lengths, push the rod thru, then push them in to the ends of the tubing. Make them flush on the bottom, and stick out on the top enough to connect them all in parallel for the 12 volts. A small lathe would be ideal for turning to size. As a matter of fact, any one wanting to try, if they send me a 1" sample of their tubing, I'd make a few of them up. Or just give me the sizes. (More accurate if I'm working to a sample, but I can do it from dimensions). Ok, I just checked the scrap box, and I have a short length of .750 dia teflon stock. I'll make a couple to any given dimension to the first one wanting them ..........(no charge). OK, first one to PM me with dimensions gets 'em! ON edit: the drawing in post 174, scaled down to the dia of the tubing, with or without the half circle scallops is a good illustration of what I mean by spider.

[F350-6]

Originally Posted by alchymist

OK, I refrained from posting for as long as I could .......It occurs to me to scale things down...and at the same time allow plenty of inter-electrode area. Why not - get some small diameter, say 3/8 (or even 1/2) inch steel tubing, and some heavy gauge sheet metal. Cut two squares of the sheet metal, say 8" square, and drill it full of holes to match the od of the tubing. Now braze or silver solder the tubes (perhaps a foot long), into the sheet metal ends. Now, some stainless tig rod can be inserted in the tubes, with a teflon spider at each end. The spiders will secure the ss rods and yet allow gas and water to pass in/out of the tubes. Now simply fashion an end cap for each end, fill with water (perhaps feed from bottom with float control) and take the gas off the top thru a tube. Here in an 8X8X15 inch cube you could have well over two hundred feet of electrode. I don't believe two electrodes in a plastic container are needed, the tube would act as one (ground side) electrode, and the ss rod the other. End caps can be light plastic, rtv in place. and provide blowup protection. Or make the disks round and use the ends of small plastic pails cut odd about an inch high. Just a thought.......

Our goal is to suck everyone into this thread. My questions to your comments are: How many amps will it take to efficiently run this much electrode? We would also need to figure out the water consumption rate of the bigger yet smaller set up you propose.

I would also be concerned with the compression ratios of these engines, that at some point you could have too much hydrogen. Especially at low RPM's.

[alchymist]

Originally Posted by F350-6

Our goal is to suck everyone into this thread. My questions to your comments are: How many amps will it take to efficiently run this much electrode? We would also need to figure out the water consumption rate of the bigger yet smaller set up you propose.

I would also be concerned with the compression ratios of these engines, that at some point you could have too much hydrogen. Especially at low RPM's.

I have a feeling the amperage draw would vary with the level of the water in the tubes. If the bottom tray were float equipped, it wouldn't matter the consumption rate until the source went empty. Now, we could get fancy, and put an electronic controller on it to sense pressure in the top resevoir, and keep it steadyby modulating the current, and rig a vacuum regulator to feed it to the intake....
ie, vary the current to keep the pressure fixed in the top resevoir, and let the vacuum valve meter it to the engine.

Damn, I told myself I don't need anymore projects........

[David85]

I think what might be a good setup is to have a secondary tank that feeds the electrolizer (can I call it that ???) and keeps it full at all times. Then you can use a standard fuel gauge to monitor the level in the secondary feed tank, and shut the system down when it runs dry (putting a fuel level sender in the generator would be a bad idea). This way you keep the generator at full efficiency/safety all the time.

But of course this would increase the complexity even more....

[alchymist]

Keep it simple - as I stated previously - float feed into the generator. And guess what happens when the generator runs out of water? Yep, shuts itself down!

[Kwikkordead]

This is sort of a halfway thread highjack. But the containers kind of look the same.
I've been reading about this subject for a few years now and this discussion is a good place to bring it up.
Read the home page at least. As of this posting I have not read the rest of the site yet. So much of it is talking about things I have not been to school about.

http://www.thejoecell.com/

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[alchymist]

Sounds like a "cold fusion" scenario to me.......notice that nowhere doe they tell you what is being produced or fed into the engine.

I particularly like line "L" ....."The cells are reported to function only when a strong vaccum is created in the cell. For this reason adding a pressure gauge is recommended. For the cell to function properly, around 15 psi of vacuum will be required".

This statement alone says the writer has no clue as to what's happening. Vacuum is not measure with a pressure gauge, nor are the units in psi.

It is also stated that the principal has been known since 1867 .. I doubt that anything that good would not have been perfected by now.

Actually, I'll bet the big oil companies have bought up all the patents, info, models, etc, and sworn the inventers to secrecy!
Gonna need a lot more proof on this one......

[Izzy351]

Originally Posted by Kwikkordead

This is sort of a halfway thread highjack. But the containers kind of look the same.
I've been reading about this subject for a few years now and this discussion is a good place to bring it up.
Read the home page at least. As of this posting I have not read the rest of the site yet. So much of it is talking about things I have not been to school about.

http://www.thejoecell.com/

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lmao.... Dang -- I was going to use that name for mine.

[Kwikkordead]

Originally Posted by alchymist

Sounds like a "cold fusion" scenario to me.......notice that nowhere doe they tell you what is being produced or fed into the engine.

I particularly like line "L" ....."The cells are reported to function only when a strong vaccum is created in the cell. For this reason adding a pressure gauge is recommended. For the cell to function properly, around 15 psi of vacuum will be required".

This statement alone says the writer has no clue as to what's happening. Vacuum is not measure with a pressure gauge, nor are the units in psi.

It is also stated that the principal has been known since 1867 .. I doubt that anything that good would not have been perfected by now.

Actually, I'll bet the big oil companies have bought up all the patents, info, models, etc, and sworn the inventers to secrecy!
Gonna need a lot more proof on this one......

Humor me for a day or two. Somebody with an education in the needed fields could possibly have thier name written in the history books.
Rather than picking on minutae of whether the guage is correct or not, open your head up and think about the implications of getting this technology to work.

Here's some You tube videos to watch

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...&search=Search

[alchymist]

Originally Posted by Kwikkordead

Humor me for a day or two. Somebody with an education in the needed fields could possibly have thier name written in the history books.
Rather than picking on minutae of whether the guage is correct or not, open your head up and think about the implications of getting this technology to work.

Here's some You tube videos to watch

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joe+cell&search=Search

Do you really think anyone who could figure these things out would write them up in such a manner?

Time? You can have all the time you want - humor there is plenty of. Like the cold fusion discussion several years ago. Or the video making the rounds of the torch running on water as it's fuel. Would heat metal cherry red, but wouldn't burn the inventor's hand! Didn't see Lincoln , Bernard, Hobart, or Miller coming out with any ....And the 100 MPG carburators from the '50s.

Do you really think a country that could put a man on the moon couldn't figure this stuff out? Or was the moon landing a Hoax?

[Kwikkordead]

Sorry about the previous post alchymist.
It just seems like something that could be utilized, but nobody has figured out a good way to harness the energy yet.
Kind of like electricity was 300 years ago. They knew it existed but had no idea of how to harness it for practical use.
It's just a matter of time before somebody gets it right and then the whole world will no longer need any form of consumable fuel.
That's the sort of potential this technology has to offer.
I've said all that I can without completely highjacking the original post in this thread.

[alchymist]

Hey, Kwikkordead, no need to apologise - controversy is what moves the world. Sometimes ya gotta run something up the flagpole to see who salutes!

[David85]

In all honesty, I knew of the "joe cell" already, but I dismissed it thinking that its just annother perpetual motion machine. I learned a little more since and now believe that there might be something to it, if for no other reason than the plans are given freely on the website. I do know that the "water droper" is a real device that can create a difference of electrical potitial.

But when you think about it, there is still so much we still have to learn about something as everyday as lighning.

[Izzy351]

I never heard of the Joe Cell until Dan posted it. It's obviously exactly what we're doing here, so I'm not sure what the controversy is about. I didn't read the very wordy site either, but I glanced through it and saw right away that it's what we're talking about (not a hijack at all, IMHO).

[Kwikkordead]

Well the containers are the same, in dimension, but that's it.
Somehow it generates something that allows the engine to run without any sort of conventional fuel at all if it's done right. The water in the generator is not consumed while driving as it would be if it were being used to generate hydrogen and oxygen.
Several years ago I read testimonies about the guy taking his Range Rover across country with it and it had to be set up sort of backwards in comparison to a petrol fired engine. The ignition had to be set so the spark plug fired at the bottom of the compression stroke instead of just before TDC. It was as if whatever was happening, instead of having the gasses compress, then burn, then the heat expansion would drive the piston down. It was the opposite. The spark would cause the combustion mixture to implode rather than explode and the resulting vacuum would be the driving force of the internal combustion engine.
He reported that the entire exhaust system was coated with ice after a drive.