I have no doubt the diesel F150 will be more expensive than as gasser, but I don't think it will be a $5,000 - $6,000 option like the SD, It just wouldn't make sense money wise.
However, the reality is, that we (the US consumer) will have to pay more initially to get the new diesel emissions technology in place and the bugs worked out.
The fuel price issue has more to do with refining capacity, how the refineries are setup, and US taxing policies. If the US had more refineries, fuel wouldn't cost so much today.
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I'm guessing you haven't been on a construction site lately....around here I see contractors, lawn companies, and sportsman all using half tons to their capacity every day.....i'm not sure where your from, but tons of people are using half tons around here
You must be from a diffeent area then. Sure I see 1/2 on on contruction sites, but the only things I ever see them doing is hauling workers and tools. I can't say I've ever seen a vocational body on a 1/2 ton either.
even with diesel at 3.80 in your part of the country a diesel f-150 would be more so competitive with the 5.4 because diesel is more efficient. you get twice the power from a diesel with half the fuel of a gas motor so my opinion is the diesel will prove the be a better motor in the f-150 as far a power and fuel efficiency that than the 5.4
Just a couple of points, first not everybody that uses a truck for work needs to haul 15,000 lbs. second you will most definetly get alot better mpg's in th 1/2 ton then 3/4 or 1 ton. That is the big reason why you see alot of people here wanting the 1/2 ton diesel. a diesel would have to get just a small percentage better fuel economy to make it worth it. just my .02
Just a couple of points, first not everybody that uses a truck for work needs to haul 15,000 lbs. second you will most definetly get alot better mpg's in th 1/2 ton then 3/4 or 1 ton. That is the big reason why you see alot of people here wanting the 1/2 ton diesel. a diesel would have to get just a small percentage better fuel economy to make it worth it. just my .02
gasser 15mpg average
hopefuly diesel 20-23 mpg average
that would be more than economical
In theory yes. But with all the govt BS I question wether a 1/2 ton could get that great. Also how much would it add to the cost of the truck? Would the extra cost weigh out in fuel saving? All of this remains to be seen. I haven't yet seen the list price for a 1/2 ton diesel. If some one knows it I sure like to hear.
There are alot of people that have a truck that use them like a car, I really can't see any of those people buying a Diesel 1/2 ton. but on the other hand there are alot of people that use a truck as a truck, thats where the market for a 1/2 ton Diesel would be. If they build it, it will sell. Hell If the Japanese can sell a ugly ass car like the Scion xb, Ford should be able to sell a Diesel 1/2 ton. And just like some people here can't see buying a 1/2 ton Diesel, I haven't a clue why someone would spend there money on a car that is nothing but a ugly box. If someone builds it, it will sell
There are alot of people that have a truck that use them like a car, I really can't see any of those people buying a Diesel 1/2 ton. but on the other hand there are alot of people that use a truck as a truck, thats where the market for a 1/2 ton Diesel would be. If they build it, it will sell. Hell If the Japanese can sell a ugly ass car like the Scion xb, Ford should be able to sell a Diesel 1/2 ton. And just like some people here can't see buying a 1/2 ton Diesel, I haven't a clue why someone would spend there money on a car that is nothing but a ugly box. If someone builds it, it will sell
i agree, but thier ARE alot of people out there who buy diesels b/c their suppose to get great gas mileage and drive them as a car.
I really feel for you folks in the USA, in canada, diesel prices are still on par with gasoline in most places, but it would have to get very expensive before I would even consider going back to gas, although I have never even owned a gas powered truck.
Like MrPlumber, I own an older indirect injected diesel engine (6.9L), and I couldn't be happier. What I don't quite understand is why diesel nay sayers claim diesels are so much more expensive to maintain.
glow plugs are $10 a piece
injectors are $25 a piece
and an injector pump is $400
Theres no computer or sensors on these older diesels either.
As for fuel economy my truck has given above 20 MPG @ 70 MPH, and 17 @ 80, and thats with an old engine (not much flat ground in BC either). Although my truck is not exactly stock anymore. If a big square beast like a 1986 F250 can get 20 MPG at 70 mph, there is no good reason why a 1/2 ton cannot do better with a smaller, lighter diesel engine.
Just about every other market in the world has woken up to the fact that diesels are the better engine, I don't get why the USA and canada are so far behind here.
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The old IDI engines are good, but they are nothing like the new turbo engines now, and they are not bogged down with all the epa crap either. Plus When I got mine, Diesel was a good .50 cents a gallon less than Reg gas. Last night I payed $3.799 a gallon for fuel vs $3.299 the day before for gas I put in the Expedition. Besides work I use to use the F-250 for my daily driver to, trips to the store, go out, and such and I used the Expedition for when I had to bring the whole family. Now the truck only gets used for work. I wish there was a Bio- Diesel pump around here
I personally cannot wait for this thing to come out. I drive a gas burner now (05 F150 SCrew 5.4L FX4) and get about 15MPG avg with a good amount of that highway. I drive all over the state quite a bit selling fire trucks and equipment so I want the longevity and toughness of a diesel motor. I also am an Assistant Fire Chief and frequently use my pickup as a command vehicle so it's all the time roaming across pastures and off-road. It gets driven like a fire truck a lot too with fast take-offs and hard braking. It does fairly well but would just much rather have the diesel. What do you all think the HP output will be on this '09 and how will it compare with the 5.4L?
...As for fuel economy my truck has given above 20 MPG @ 70 MPH, and 17 @ 80, and thats with an old engine (not much flat ground in BC either). Although my truck is not exactly stock anymore. If a big square beast like a 1986 F250 can get 20 MPG at 70 mph, there is no good reason why a 1/2 ton cannot do better with a smaller, lighter diesel engine.
Just about every other market in the world has woken up to the fact that diesels are the better engine, I don't get why the USA and canada are so far behind here.
My '92 F250 would get 19 mpg all day long in the city! However, it would go down to around 17 mpg on long highway trips in the Arizona mountains. But then again, it did have a 4.10 rear end in it.
There is no reason Ford can't make an F150 that get 25 mpg or better.
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I've been waiting for a oil burning F-150 but after all the problems I've seen with the 6.0 personally and the reported issues with the new 6.4, I'll be waiting until at least 2011 or 2012 so the bulk of the problems are worked out (also assuming diesel prices come in line with gas).
In all honesty, I would personally be more inclined to build an older truck into a diesel. In other markets, ford offers a cummins 3.9 4 cyl in its full size trucks that puts out 215 Hp, and well over 500 lbs of torque.
With some imagination, I could have an allison auto (or manual tranny), and cummins 3.9 in my f150. And thats an engine with lots of room to grow, but more importantly, its designed as a true diesel for long haul running, and not just intermitent peak Hp. A truck like that would easily see 25 MPG, not to mention, be easier to work on!
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1986 F250HD Ex cab Fresh built up 6.9L diesel Lariat AC leather seats power everything w/full cluster, sterling rear 3.08LS gears, E4OD trans, ram intake ATS 088 turbo
1986 F150 Ex cab Lariat rollercam 5.0L on LPG AOD trans 3.55 gears 390 000Ks
david85 I could not agree more. Maybe not doing an older truck but they can get a diesel into the f150 that can get 25 city without any problem but the big three would lose too much money from the oil companys. Anybody who has spent as much time as the big three at developing diesel engines has to be able to get better mpgs than current. They just do not want it. As long as we all keep buying these fuel hogs with more power than we NEED they do not have to try to get better mpgs. Everyone who buys a diesel at some point uses all of the power maybe 5% of the time they own the truck (average) does that compute to NEEDING that much power? I want 250 hp 500 trq and 25 mpgs and don't tell me that they can not do it.
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