Just my opinion, I think most people that buy the PSD maybe fall into one of two categories. #1 Which is mine BTW, is a specific need which more then likely over rules the cost issue. I pull an 8K toyhauler and while my 150 5.4 does OK, you definitely know it's there, (on a windy day, it's like the tail waggin' the dog), and I have a serious concern about maybe damaging something over time. Didn't make sense to me to buy a 250SD with the same engine. The V-10 didn't even interest me due to the fact you can only get it with 4.10 or 4.30, neither of these do I need.
Or #2 The love of the sound, smell, and look of the PSD. I also maybe fall into this category.
I don't think anyone buying a diesel today is making that decision for economy. Sure, we would like to have the whole package but realistically nobody offers that package in a diesel. (Or any large, capable truck for that matter).
Heck, my 5.4 isn't that economical compared to my neighbors toyota, but for short trips it helps take the bite out of the PSD operating expense.
And what has been said over and over again on the various FTE forums, If economy is what you're after, don't buy a full size truck. Do your research, know what to expect with what you buy and quit complaining because that expectation becomes reality. If you happen to be one of the few that exceed the mileage numbers be happy.
If you really read what people are saying about the 6.4, the mileage numbers aren't that bad when "sanity" is behind the wheel. When the "Joey Chitwood" in us takes over, then of course mileage number do go south like geese in November.
the latest truckin magazine also said they my offer a 5.8L V8 along with the 6.2L V8 and then the diesel. also said the truck might be out earlier than fall next year.
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with the power of the diesel engines going up & up, emissions
standards getting tighter, more & more stuff getting put on the trucks,
plus heavier & stronger frames & components, the fuel economy is
naturally going to suffer, these trucks are getting huge & heavy
they can now pull tons, but how can they get good mpg's? something
got to give or they will be able to pull as much as a semi & get the
same mpg's too!! this is OK if u need that much power, but not
everyone needs a diesel that can pull 25,000lb's & cost $55,000
we need a diesel truck with good fuel economy at a afordable price
that can tow a fair amount of weight.
dirt snow I totally agree, I say 250 hp and 450-500 ft lbs would be awesome and perfect.
That is one of the smartest things ever said on here. I do not understand why people want a half ton to pull as much as a super duty. 250 hp and 450 trq would be able to produce decent mpgs.
yes, hopefully ford will go after that market, that 250hp/450trq is the numbers
I was thinking of too!!! with a 6speed auto trans I am hopeing for a honest
25mpg hiway!!
I question wether diesel will be a big hit in a 1.2 ton. Diesel is one of those things that you have to have work for IMO a 1/2 ton diesel is a poddle playing tug of war with a pit bull. Those who work their trucks are the one's who want a diesel. When you look at what they are buying it's 3/4 and 1 tons. You look at diesel and gas, the difference in fuel effiency is almost incomparable. I know from experience that a 300-6 is right around 125HP and at load will easily burn 6 GPH. You take diesel of the similar HP and it will burn 3-4GPH
diesel engines have been used in many applications, from the small uses to the
very large uses. They have been used in Europe for many years in cars, trucks
& vans. The U.S. has been slow to offer any real diesel choices so how chould
they be a big hit here? If they work good in a small car it makes sense to put
them in the f150 that is alot heavier & will be halling & towing also. the f150 has
been the #1 seller for years now so the sales numbers are already there. The
f150 has been a leader & it is very very importain to ford to keep it there. By
offering the diesel option they might be able to steal some customers away from
their rivals. They can't aford to fall behind with the f150!!!
I question wether diesel will be a big hit in a 1.2 ton. Diesel is one of those things that you have to have work for IMO a 1/2 ton diesel is a poddle playing tug of war with a pit bull. Those who work their trucks are the one's who want a diesel. When you look at what they are buying it's 3/4 and 1 tons. You look at diesel and gas, the difference in fuel effiency is almost incomparable. I know from experience that a 300-6 is right around 125HP and at load will easily burn 6 GPH. You take diesel of the similar HP and it will burn 3-4GPH
I question whether diesel will be a big hit in a 1/2 ton. . . . I know from experience that a 300-6 is right around 125HP and at load will easily burn 6 GPH. You take diesel of the similar HP and it will burn 3-4GPH
I find it interesting that you don't believe that a F150 diesel will make much of an impact, then in the same post, you state that a diesel of equivalent HP will achieve 50-100% better fuel economy COMPARED TO A 300-6!. . .(6 GPH vs. 4 GPH = 50% better, 6 GPH vs. 3 GPH = 100% better), assuming they cover the same distance travelled.
I doubt that few would question the viability of a diesel in a light truck, especially when they have been proven in passenger cars and in SD pickups. The real question, is what is the optimal size/performance/fuel economy parameters to make the most people happy?
Dale
__________________ Prior trucks:
1969 Chevrolet C10 350
1976 Ford F250 360
1982 Nissan 2.2 Diesel
1986 Ford Ranger 4x4 2.3
1992 Ford F150 4x4 5.8
1997 Dodge 3500 4x4 5.9 Diesel
Current trucks:
1950 Chevolet 3800 235
1991 Ford Aeromax L-8000 7.8 Diesel
2006 Ford F150 Lariat 4x4 5.4
"The real question, is what is the optimal size/performance/fuel economy parameters to make the most people happy? " Exactly
I think that emissions and other govt. BS will prevent FoMoCo from acheiving the ideal combination of the three factors in the above quotation.
The other factor is that the F150 fails into a completely different market then the SDs. I have be honest and say it's been a while since I've seen a 1/2 of any brand doing any "real work."(In case someone should ask that's 75% of rated capacity) Wth diesel higher then gas at the moment I fear it would be a hard sell to the average truck buyer. "Hot shots" on the other hand who are the lion's share of the diesel truck market, prefer the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.
IMO a diesel f-150 will make NO impact for 3 reasons: original price of the engine, price of fuel compated to UL gas and deisel emmisions equipment dollar for dollar it is a no brainer and if a person needs to haul at or near max. payload get a super duty!! Now we can wait and see who will be correct????
" I have be honest and say it's been a while since I've seen a 1/2 of any brand doing any "real work.
I'm guessing you haven't been on a construction site lately....around here I see contractors, lawn companies, and sportsman all using half tons to their capacity every day.....i'm not sure where your from, but tons of people are using half tons around here
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