thats still better than a gas V8 truck on the highway
I was getting 22mpg hwy/19mpg avg with my 12V 5.9 Cummins (chipped, big exhaust). I now get 19mpg hwy/17mpg avg with my 5.4 F150 (bone stock). Considering the difference in the cost of gasoline and diesel, the F150 is still cheaper to drive even with the difference in mileage. And the maintenance cost is significantly less.
The only advantage of the 1 ton Dodge is it could haul/tow just about anything, which I only needed about 1% of the time. For that advantage, I had to put up with higher maintenance costs, squeaks and rattles, rough ride, hard steering, poor brakes, lots of noise, black smoke, and oil puddles in the driveway.
After that experience, I asked myself, "Do I really need a diesel?" I've been pretty happy with the 5.4 F150, and haven't missed the Dodge yet . . .
1/2 ton truck tow ratings are not limited by the currently available gas engines. If you want to tow more, get a 3/4 ton truck where a diesel engine makes sense. If you are going to base your decision to get a diesel engine in a 1/2 ton purely on emotion (economics be damned), then I guess no one can argue the point.
I would guess if you live in a area that Bio-diesel is sold at the pump it would be a big advantage untill the goverment taxes the ***** out of it. Like I said before I have a older 7.3 IDI , I don't see how it cost me any more for maintenance for the truck than it does for the Expedition, a little more for oil when changed but a bad coil on the gas job makes up the Difference pretty fast. and glow plugs ? if you have to change them all the time all I can tell you is STOP USEING AUTOLITES. they are junk. I can see a oil burner 1/2 ton as being very appealing . The new 3/4 tons are so quiet and smooth you almost have to look at the badge on the side to tell it's a oil burner. I would think that for the 1/2 tons there would be no almost about it, you would have to look for the badge.
lol, it wold look like somthing out of a cheech and chong movie wouldnt it??
i am just saying what i have heard, it seems some are gett 20mpg though, which is still not bad at all for a big ass truck. but i am hearing ALOT of people say how much they dont like the mpg they are getting on the new 6.4L, which is cause of the emissions stuff they put on it.
ha! 20 hwy is very feasable. in town no! you just cant believe these people. uness you can actually see it yourself. and yes the emmisions crap is hurting the new diesels fuel mileage. hurtin em bad. most duallys are seein about 10 hwy. 6ish towin. not good at all. alot on here are sayin their single wheels are gettin 15ish hwy. which isnt to bad.
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Previous truck:04 F-250 PS 4x4. miss it badly
Ryan
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20,000 MILES A YEAR 7,500per
2.4 OIL CHANGES 7.3L
105.36+35.00(FUEL FILTER)=140.36
4 OIL CHANGES 5.4L @5,000per
67.04
COIL CAN BE OFFSET BY CAM POSITION SENSORS, AND GLOW PLOW RELAYS
That was my experience, too. Oil filters were more expensive for a diesel @ ~$7.00 vs. ~$4.00 for gas. More frequent oil changes because the oil gets dirtier faster (3000 mi instead of 5000 mi for gas), more oil required at change, (9 qts. vs. 6 qts.) not to mention fuel filters. And then you just hope that the injector pump doesn't need rebuilt . . .(prices start at $800 and go up from there . . .) One reason I traded in my diesel was the EPA change to low sulphur fuel. The new fuel requires an additive to be able to maintain lubrication in the old style pumps. The additive is blended at the station when the underground tank is filled, but the shelf life isn't long. My Dodge was a 1997. I was just worried about injector pumps failing prematurely on the new low sulphur fuels. I'm sure the new F150 engine will be designed to use the low sulphur fuels. But as stated, with the new emission controls fuel economy will suffer.
Of course, you don't have to worry about $400+ spark plug changes like the 5.4 3V . . .
20,000 MILES A YEAR 7,500per
2.4 OIL CHANGES 7.3L
105.36+35.00(FUEL FILTER)=140.36
4 OIL CHANGES 5.4L @5,000per
67.04
COIL CAN BE OFFSET BY CAM POSITION SENSORS, AND GLOW PLOW RELAYS
...................Fl1995 is cheeper than the 6.0 filter@ $18.00 at wally world,would think any new diesel based of the current build fron IHC would also use the new drop in type filter,not the spin on type,when I was farming we had a 1990 TW-10 ford diesel with the 401 CID inline 6 motor,our's came with the drop in cartrage,some came with the spin on,the drop in's were like 1/2 the price of the spin on's ,they had a kit where you could change the spin on to a drop in and guy's were doing that,odd how the 6.0 drop in would cost more than the spin on FL1995,also we have a guy who just cane into the park to spend the winter and he traded his F350-6.0 for a new F450 6.4,he sold my son his 6.0 oil and fuel filter's he had left over,will have to ask him what type does his 6.4 use,BTW I had to ask what his MPG'S are running,7MPG towing a 38 ft 5'th wheel/14 empty FWIW.
The guy I work with just went form a 2001 7.3 PSD to a 2006 6.0 . the 7.3 got a little better than 18 mpg a tank, the 6.0 is getting 16 mpg. it's not all highway or city but a mix. He did take a trip with his 6.0 that was all highway and got 19.5. the same trip with the 7.3 was just a little better but never got 20 with it. I'm gonna stick to my old 7.3 IDI till I get at least 1/2 million miles on it, but with the price of fuel, I've been putting more miles on the Expedition.
I was getting 22mpg hwy/19mpg avg with my 12V 5.9 Cummins (chipped, big exhaust). I now get 19mpg hwy/17mpg avg with my 5.4 F150 (bone stock). Considering the difference in the cost of gasoline and diesel, the F150 is still cheaper to drive even with the difference in mileage. And the maintenance cost is significantly less.
The only advantage of the 1 ton Dodge is it could haul/tow just about anything, which I only needed about 1% of the time. For that advantage, I had to put up with higher maintenance costs, squeaks and rattles, rough ride, hard steering, poor brakes, lots of noise, black smoke, and oil puddles in the driveway.
After that experience, I asked myself, "Do I really need a diesel?" I've been pretty happy with the 5.4 F150, and haven't missed the Dodge yet . . .
Dale
man i promise ford diesels arent like that. dont let that dodge make you think diesel are bad. just try a super duty PS. youll want the diesel again.
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2005 Cummins 4x4. IS GONE!!
Previous truck:04 F-250 PS 4x4. miss it badly
Ryan
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