What did you all expect? The 09' F-150 falls along the SAME lines as did the new GM 900 line of trucks. BIGGER in size/appearance with a few minor cabin improvements. But GM screwed up when they offered the old tranny. I hope Ford doesn't make the same mistake. A diesel would also be a smart move. The Mercedes offered V-6 diesel in the Jeep Cherokee is a great addition. It's very quiet and powerful. You can't even hear it when you're inside the cabin. Very good acceleration/mileage too. All for a mere $500 more. Chrysler cut the price in half on this diesel option. The 09' F-150 truck looks OK. No where near a radical move by Ford. But then again nobody expected that.
The new Toyota LandCruiser 200 series has a twisting V8 diesel with 282 hp and that one will soon ( according to my information) be seen in the Tundra.
Tows 3,5 tons and makes 0-60 mph in 8,2 sec mounted in the 2,7 ton LC.
24 mpg..and that is better milage than the much weaker 6 cyl it replaces.
In Europe, the 4.5-litre twin-turbo V8 diesel engine delivers 210kW at 3600rpm and a whopping 650Nm at 1600rpm. Despite the weight increase its also claimed to use a relatively frugal 10.2L/100km.
The new diesel engine block is cast in Compacted Graphite cast Iron (CGI) which offers increased strength (75% stronger compared to the engine block material of the outgoing diesel engine) while reducing weight (down 30%) to improve fuel consumption, weight balance and handling.
CGI is a kind of cast iron that is light, resists wear and corrosion, and is very resistant to heat and shock. By using CGI for the cylinder block, Toyota has reduced noise and saved significant weight when compared with equivalent engines.
Engine durability is further enhanced by fitting an oil scavenging system on the turbochargers to collect surplus oil and reduce blue smoke whenever and wherever you go, such as driving on an inclined road, turning and braking. The engine mounts are 1.5 times stronger than on conventional cars.
wow, that front end just keeps getting more and more sissy.... looks like a Toyota. I thought jap crap imports copy american stuff but not it appears to be flipped. More plastic = more safe for everybody right?????? pfffft, I'll take my old steel trucks, thanks!
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Jurassic Park-statement. Remember how good.. the old dinosaurs survived...
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650 Nm from a 4,5 liter diesel equals to 480 lb/ft
The F-150 Triton 5,4 litre is producing a weak 365 lb/ft
The SuperDutys 6,8 litre V10 is almost equal at 457 lb/ft.
Diesel is the future. The 4,5 litre is very economical with 24 mpg. Check how Ford is hiding their figures.
I said nothing about engines in this post. I simply gave my opinion that the trucks front end is getting VERY girly for a mans truck. Go smoke some biodiesel.
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Jurassic Park-statement. Remember how good.. the old dinosaurs survived...
New HighTech will put that old axiom to the historybooks.
650 Nm from a 4,5 liter diesel equals to 480 lb/ft
The F-150 Triton 5,4 litre is producing a weak 365 lb/ft
The SuperDutys 6,8 litre V10 is almost equal at 457 lb/ft.
Diesel is the future. The 4,5 litre is very economical with 24 mpg. Check how Ford is hiding their figures.
The only way diesel will be the future in NA is when it gets cheaper than reg. UL and that is not likely for sometime to come!!!!
When people are buying diesel in terms of gallons/torque they will find diesel economical already today.
When you use a truck for itīs normal purpose of carrying load or towing itīs torque and not ponies that counts. Otherwise you should have a sedan or something. Start counting now much fuel thatīs used to tow full load from A-B and compare. Today most people seem more interested in fuelprice/gallon than milage/gallon.
When people are buying diesel in terms of gallons/torque they will find diesel economical already today.
When you use a truck for itīs normal purpose of carrying load or towing itīs torque and not ponies that counts. Otherwise you should have a sedan or something. Start counting now much fuel thatīs used to tow full load from A-B and compare. Today most people seem more interested in fuelprice/gallon than milage/gallon.
I would agree . . . if you always have a payload or trailer. However, I would bet fewer than 20% of light truck owners actually use them day in and day out as a truck. My old one ton dually could get 20mpg on a good day (empty), and I drove it empty 90% of the time. When it came time for a new truck, I decided to "trade down" to a F150 gas. It gets the same mileage as the one ton diesel, but gas is 40 cents/gal. cheaper here, and the F150 rides one heck of a lot nicer. For the 10% of the time that I need a truck, the F150 has worked fine so far. For me, the one ton diesel dually was overkill. I still say if the new F150 diesel cannot achieve 30mpg, then I'm better off with a gas.
I would agree . . . if you always have a payload or trailer. However, I would bet fewer than 20% of light truck owners actually use them day in and day out as a truck. My old one ton dually could get 20mpg on a good day (empty), and I drove it empty 90% of the time. When it came time for a new truck, I decided to "trade down" to a F150 gas. It gets the same mileage as the one ton diesel, but gas is 40 cents/gal. cheaper here, and the F150 rides one heck of a lot nicer. For the 10% of the time that I need a truck, the F150 has worked fine so far. For me, the one ton diesel dually was overkill. I still say if the new F150 diesel cannot achieve 30mpg, then I'm better off with a gas.
Dale
Al Gore must be proud of You. I take my hat off in a "green salute". 30 mpg sounds great as a target.
Al Gore must be proud of You. I take my hat off in a "green salute". 30 mpg sounds great as a target.
I totally agree with abergale heis spot on and I would wager in an f-150 the diesel option will not sell higher than 30%??? Time will tell diesel here is at $3.75 UL gas is $3.09!!!
Instead of getting better gas mileage why dont they just lower the price of GAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OR BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Al Gore must be proud of You. I take my hat off in a "green salute". 30 mpg sounds great as a target.
Yeah, you might be right. Alot of it is how the vehicle is driven. But If Ford's F150 diesel ends up being rated at 26-28 mpg highway, I'll wager I can get 30 easy . . . especially if a manual transmission is available (whatever happened to manual transmissions in trucks anyway? The only way I could get a manual in a Ford was in a bare bones V6 F150 or a base 4cyl. Ranger!)
It seems ironic that all my cars are manuals, and my pickup is an automatic. I'm getting 40 mpg highway with a gas 1.8L turbo VW with a 5 spd. manual, and it's rated at 32.
Manuals were phased out on higher torque engines because those who don't know how to drive them broke things.....and ford has to cover the warranties for people who do know how to drive...and people who don't. Plus...most people want autos....and ford doesn't want to have trucks left sitting on dealership lots...
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