jr going to hendrick/replace busch
#2
This whole deal with JR is to tough to call. Every one of the teams he has expressed in has room. Hendrick doesn't but if one listens to the rumour mill Kyle wants out and the way he has been acting of late towards the media and his own team. If I were Hendrick I would want him out too. His bad behavior has seemed to escalate since he walked from his team and JR drove the rest of the race in the #5.
Who knows, regardless of who signs him, it's time for JR to prove he can win a championship. Any of the 3 teams expressing interest are very much contending teams for the championship.
Anyone else find it ironic that Truex has picked it up 10 fold since JR anounced he was leaving?
Who knows, regardless of who signs him, it's time for JR to prove he can win a championship. Any of the 3 teams expressing interest are very much contending teams for the championship.
Anyone else find it ironic that Truex has picked it up 10 fold since JR anounced he was leaving?
#6
Mediocre AT BEST!
His early success was on what his father left him ... shop, tech and pit talent.
Time has caught up with DEI and moved on.
His crash a couple years ago in the C5R was marketing GENIUS! Not the crash, but the fact that "my dad pulled me out" was a brilliant cover-up to his driving talent.
He had it all and couldn't carry it forward.
His early success was on what his father left him ... shop, tech and pit talent.
Time has caught up with DEI and moved on.
His crash a couple years ago in the C5R was marketing GENIUS! Not the crash, but the fact that "my dad pulled me out" was a brilliant cover-up to his driving talent.
He had it all and couldn't carry it forward.
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#8
career stats both with and after Dad. You'll notice he finished 5th in points 2 years ago. Trust me I'm no fan of his but his numbers are too good to call him mediocre
<TABLE class=cnnDataTable cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR class=cnnTopTR><TH align=middle>Year</TH><TH align=middle>Starts</TH><TH align=middle>Wins</TH><TH align=middle>Avg. Finish</TH><TH class=cnnLast align=middle>Rank</TH></TR><TR></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>1999</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>21.4</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>48</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>2000</TD><TD align=middle>34</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>20.9</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>16</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>2001</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>15.2</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>8</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>2002</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>17.1</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>11</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>2003</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>12.7</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>3</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>2004</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>12.1</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>5</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>2005</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>20.5</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>19</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>2006</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>13.5</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>5</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>2007</TD><TD align=middle>14</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>16.7</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>14</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Totals</TD><TD align=middle>269</TD><TD align=middle>17</TD><TD align=middle>16.1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Jim
<TABLE class=cnnDataTable cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR class=cnnTopTR><TH align=middle>Year</TH><TH align=middle>Starts</TH><TH align=middle>Wins</TH><TH align=middle>Avg. Finish</TH><TH class=cnnLast align=middle>Rank</TH></TR><TR></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>1999</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>21.4</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>48</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>2000</TD><TD align=middle>34</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>20.9</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>16</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>2001</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>15.2</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>8</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>2002</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>17.1</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>11</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>2003</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>12.7</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>3</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>2004</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>12.1</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>5</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>2005</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>20.5</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>19</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>2006</TD><TD align=middle>36</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>13.5</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>5</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD align=middle>2007</TD><TD align=middle>14</TD><TD align=middle>0</TD><TD align=middle>16.7</TD><TD class=cnnLast align=middle>14</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>Totals</TD><TD align=middle>269</TD><TD align=middle>17</TD><TD align=middle>16.1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Jim
#9
I like stats ...
Look at the trend over the last 4 years ...
2003 36 2 12.7 3
2004 36 6 12.1 5
2005 36 1 20.5 19
2006 36 1 13.5 5
Look at his battles within the team over those years.
Look at where and how many times you see his face on prime time TV and print commercials.
Look at how well he has adapted to the COT ...
I rank him up there with Marco Andretti ... racing on a name, not on talent.
Look at the trend over the last 4 years ...
2003 36 2 12.7 3
2004 36 6 12.1 5
2005 36 1 20.5 19
2006 36 1 13.5 5
Look at his battles within the team over those years.
Look at where and how many times you see his face on prime time TV and print commercials.
Look at how well he has adapted to the COT ...
I rank him up there with Marco Andretti ... racing on a name, not on talent.
#10
Mark Martin's aren't much better but yet everybody considers him an elite driver
<TABLE class=cnnDataTable cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR><TH>Year</TH><TH>Starts</TH><TH>Avg. Start</TH><TH>Avg. Finish</TH><TH>Provisionals</TH><TH>% Completed</TH><TH>Points</TH><TH class=cnnLast>Winnings</TH></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD>2007</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>16.8</TD><TD>8.5</TD><TD>0 </TD><TD>100.0%</TD><TD>1586</TD><TD>$2,715,740</TD></TR><TR><TD>2006</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>16.1</TD><TD>14.3</TD><TD>0 </TD><TD>98.1%</TD><TD>6168</TD><TD>$4,282,550</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD>2005</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>15.5</TD><TD>13.2</TD><TD>0 </TD><TD>96.0%</TD><TD>6428</TD><TD>$5,994,350</TD></TR><TR><TD>2004</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>15.3</TD><TD>13.8</TD><TD>0 </TD><TD>96.7%</TD><TD>6399</TD><TD>$3,948,500</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD>2003</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>20.7</TD><TD>20.3</TD><TD>4 </TD><TD>89.5%</TD><TD>3769</TD><TD>$4,048,850</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
You wanna talk racing on a name, Kyle Petty
Jim
<TABLE class=cnnDataTable cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR><TH>Year</TH><TH>Starts</TH><TH>Avg. Start</TH><TH>Avg. Finish</TH><TH>Provisionals</TH><TH>% Completed</TH><TH>Points</TH><TH class=cnnLast>Winnings</TH></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD>2007</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>16.8</TD><TD>8.5</TD><TD>0 </TD><TD>100.0%</TD><TD>1586</TD><TD>$2,715,740</TD></TR><TR><TD>2006</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>16.1</TD><TD>14.3</TD><TD>0 </TD><TD>98.1%</TD><TD>6168</TD><TD>$4,282,550</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD>2005</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>15.5</TD><TD>13.2</TD><TD>0 </TD><TD>96.0%</TD><TD>6428</TD><TD>$5,994,350</TD></TR><TR><TD>2004</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>15.3</TD><TD>13.8</TD><TD>0 </TD><TD>96.7%</TD><TD>6399</TD><TD>$3,948,500</TD></TR><TR class=cnnCup><TD>2003</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>20.7</TD><TD>20.3</TD><TD>4 </TD><TD>89.5%</TD><TD>3769</TD><TD>$4,048,850</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
You wanna talk racing on a name, Kyle Petty
Jim
#12
Originally Posted by taisa899
Mark Martin's aren't much better but yet everybody considers him an elite driver
You wanna talk racing on a name, Kyle Petty
Jim
You wanna talk racing on a name, Kyle Petty
Jim
Petty and Waltrip fall into the name and marketing category, as does Kenny Wallace.
While I don't like him a lot, Stewart is a very good driver. He has proven he can drive just about any platform in any series at a very high level.
Ken Schrader can as well and is very under rated.
Montoya has not impressed me a lot.
Robby Gordon has proven over the years that he can tear up more than any other driver.
Just a few thoughts from the edge ...
#13
I think Jr. is a high average driver whose popularity is based on both his name and the hugh publicity push by his very aggressive sponsor.
I think Kyle Petty is a below average driver who is there only because of his name and family.
However, nobody comes close to exploiting a famous name and a big mouth as Michael Waltrip.
I think Kyle Petty is a below average driver who is there only because of his name and family.
However, nobody comes close to exploiting a famous name and a big mouth as Michael Waltrip.
#14
Originally Posted by mitchntx
Martin has moved to a mediocre team ... but, Martin has never been a "great" driver, just a very consistent and easy on equipment.
Petty and Waltrip fall into the name and marketing category, as does Kenny Wallace.
While I don't like him a lot, Stewart is a very good driver. He has proven he can drive just about any platform in any series at a very high level.
Ken Schrader can as well and is very under rated.
Montoya has not impressed me a lot.
Robby Gordon has proven over the years that he can tear up more than any other driver.
Just a few thoughts from the edge ...
Petty and Waltrip fall into the name and marketing category, as does Kenny Wallace.
While I don't like him a lot, Stewart is a very good driver. He has proven he can drive just about any platform in any series at a very high level.
Ken Schrader can as well and is very under rated.
Montoya has not impressed me a lot.
Robby Gordon has proven over the years that he can tear up more than any other driver.
Just a few thoughts from the edge ...
you know what though would Jeff Gordon be as good as he appears if he was on a mediocre team? Nope. The whole thing about NASCAR is it is a team sport in every part of the car.
A prime example of a mediocre driver doing well is Sterling Marlin before his crash that he hurt his neck. He lead the points standings for more consecutive weeks in a row than anybody has in NASCAR history. Then the crash happened and he missed 7 races and lost the championship. You can have the greatest driver in the world but if 1 part of the team doesn't perform you're done
Martin has moved to a team that is building. Check out Ginn's site and see what he's doing to improve. The man is spending major amounts of money in order to compete. In the near future Ginn will be one of the top notch teams
Jim
#15
Originally Posted by mitchntx
I like stats ...
Look at the trend over the last 4 years ...
2003 36 2 12.7 3
2004 36 6 12.1 5
2005 36 1 20.5 19
2006 36 1 13.5 5
Look at his battles within the team over those years.
Look at the trend over the last 4 years ...
2003 36 2 12.7 3
2004 36 6 12.1 5
2005 36 1 20.5 19
2006 36 1 13.5 5
Look at his battles within the team over those years.
Originally Posted by mitchntx
Look at where and how many times you see his face on prime time TV and print commercials.
Originally Posted by mitchntx
Look at how well he has adapted to the COT ....
Originally Posted by mitchntx
I rank him up there with Marco Andretti ... racing on a name, not on talent.