Yesterday I was in a decussion on towing. I guy asked why I dont have a dually verses my 3/4 ton. I just simple said they have the same GCWR. He told me I was wrong I had to break out my manual and show him. He made the comment that towing a gooseneck is under conventual towing not under 5th wheel. He said a 5th wheel ads leverage to the frame I thought the science of a 5th wheel or gooseneck was to put the tongue weight on the axle instead of the rearframe which in the end allows for a heaver trailer.
I know a 1 ton and a dually has a higher paid load on the truck than a 3/4 ton. Thats not my point, but on GVWR they are the same. Well I went to try to figure out my payload on my 04 F250 cc 4x4 lastnight I started by looking at the GVWR on the sticker on the door jam. It was 8800lbs. This confused me cause last year I was in the market for a diesel so I was looking at an 07. I ended up w/ an 04. It was what I could afford. I have an 07 SD catuloge. The only SD in it with a 8800lb GVWR is a F250 with a 5.4L. The diesels in the F250s start at 9600 or somewhere around there. My question is have they raised the GVWR since 04. I havent found a chart on GVWR in my manual and the onlyt way I know how to figure it is to subtract the GVWR on the door sticker from whatthe truck weighs. I noticed in the 07 catalog it shows a F250 having a 23,000lb GCWR where as in my 04 manual it has it rated at 20,000lbs across the board.
If this dont make sense tell me I try to explain better. Thanks.....

 

My 06 250 has a GVWR or 10,000 FGAWR 5200 RGAWR 6100

This is a long box extended cab, that doesn't have the overload spring.

 

Thats better than mine and mine has overload springs.

 

my gcwr(gross combination weight rating) is 20,000lbs! thats not the same as (gvwr)

 

I take it your talking about you signature truck???? I guess after 04 Ford raised the GCWR and GVWR. Wonder what theydid to inprove this weights.
I'm just wondering if you felt I was confusing GCWR with GVWR. You made sure to mention they where'nt the same. Thanks, but I know the differnce and I think my post splits up the differences.

 

yes my sig! they did raise the gcwr in the newer fords!and yes i said both just to make sure!

 

Ford raised the GVWR's in the 2005 model year. The GCWR is the same for the F250/350. So they both technicaly pull the same weight, but the F350 will take a higher hitch weight.

Gooseneck hitches are not the same rating as conventional frame hitches. Like a 5th wheel they allow greater hitch weights because they distribute the load better over both axles.

I do agree with your friend that 5th wheels are more restrictive of twisting motion. That's one reason you see livestock and equipment trailers with a gooseneck. On uneven terrain they allow a wider range of motion.

 

Do you know what Ford did to the trucks to raise GVWRs or did they do nothing at all and raised them. It seems they might have added a spring or did something to the rear axle. I noticed on jorlee's 06 his RGAWR is 16lbs higher than mine at 6084lbs. Our FGAWR is the same.
Not that this really matters. I'm just wondering.

 

I don't know for sure. My guess would be axles and brakes or even front axle.

 

Heavier frame in 05 for one thing. And strengthened it again in 08!

 

They changed the front end, including changing something or other which resulted in a smaller turning radius. At least, that's the minimum that I know about that they changed for the 05 models. 2004 and older had a GCWR of 20k, 2005 has 23k. I THINK they also installed bigger brakes, because they advertise the 2005 as being able to stop, without supplimentry trailer brakes, three times its own weight.

And yes, gooseneck and fifthwheel follow the same principles, and fall under the same catagory as compared to conventional towing.

 

Starting with the 05 MY, larger axles front & rear, larger brakes, heavier frame, higher rated tires & wheels. Starting with 05 MY Front GAWR 6k max SRW/DRW; Rear GAWR 7k max SRW PU, 7280 SRW Chassis Cab, 9000 DRW PU, 9750 DRW Chassis Cab

http://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/...essd_04abb.pdf
http://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/...essd-exlbb.pdf

 

Your friend is wrong, a Gooseneck & 5th Wheel trailer are both considered the same towing weight distribution, and fall under the 5th-wheel towing guidelines in the FMC towing manaul.
http://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/r...04_default.asp

A 5th wheel or Gooseneck both connect to your truck just ahead of the rear axle and apply the load in basically the same way. On a 5th-wheel trailer the pin is on the trailer, on a Gooseneck trailer the pin is in the bed of your truck. The advantange to a Gooseneck set-up is that it can be taken off road in very rough terrain, whereas a 5th-wheel setup is limited to smoother roads, 5th-wheels are also easier for one person to hook-up.

A "Conventional" trailer is one that is pulled by a bumper/receiver hitch and applies the load at the rear of the vehicle behind the rear axle.

 

The smaller diameter turning radius on the 05 & newer SD was a direct result of switching to a coil spring front, instead of leaf springs. Leaf springs restrict to a much greater degree how far the wheels can be turned inboard.

 

Nah, its plenty easy for a single person to hook up a gooseneck I never have help, and rarely have to spend more than 5 minutes total.