e-85 is a about a buck cheaper here then regular gas. its not the corn that made your milk go to 4 bucks a gal,its the transpertation cost of geting it from the farm to the milk plant and then back to the store at 3.59 a gal for desiel prices have to go up on every thing else. im getin .50 cents more per mile just to cover fuel cost. also look how much of our corn is goin over seas to feed other folks .it'll scare ya
"also look how much of our corn is goin over seas to feed other folks .it'll scare ya"
They are paying for the vast majority of it, and paying well.
It makes me smile when our trade balance for any product improves, but people gotta eat even more than they need to drive. When countries whose culture and people I despise have to bleed cash to pay for our corn (because they are too degenerate to grow their own food) what's not to like? US agriculture can score big as incompetent countries misuse and use up their resources. We should leverage that, stick it to them, and enjoy that sweet, sweet money.
US farming can't be outsourced!
The eventual result of high petroleum prices is that the US will have to pull its collective head out of its butt, adapt, and when we adapt we will be far freer economically. We'd never do it if oil were cheap. BTW,
Side note:
E85 can do ok in older carbed motorcycles. A friend just converted his Honda CM400 to a single carb (crude pipe manifold) and doubled his main jet size. Runs fine and cool (the intake manifold actually gets frost on it after a long run, in South Carolina!!) with no problems. I might have to get alcohol innards for the S&S on my Hog. Playing matchup with alcohol-proof O-rings is easy enough.
I dont' understand how the high price of corn affected the beef market? The biproduct of ethanol, atleast in my area of the United States, is being shipped to cattle lots in texas to feed them. If I recall correctly, the prices of everything were already up higher before corn even hit 4 dollars a bushel. Some people only hear one side of the story it seems like.
One of the other things that have increased corn prices are the costs of production, not just the ethanol boom. Fertilizer, diesel costs, anhydris, lime, ash(Spelling). These are the things that made corn jump high in price. It seems like when farmers are barely scraping by because prices for their products are so low they can barely make it people are happy. But when prices for their products are high, everyone complains that farmers are making to much money. If you saw the cost of input a farmer has, no one would be saying that.
I believe that if farmers went off subsidies the price for corn would go even higher. By doing this the government would not be having a hand in the production side of farming and it would be a complete supply/demand more than it is today. If you think prices are high now, imagine what would happen if demand around the world went up for corn/soybeans/wheat
Thank you BADASSTRUCK!!!! I have been trying to explain this to people for over 5 years now. Our local ethanol plant sells the leftovers also here and they charge about 1/2 of what cracked corn sells for. The only 2 things that are missing out of this feed are the sugars and oils. The proteins, vitamins ect.... are still there. Alot of negative people believe it takes 2 times more energy or more to produce ethanol than what it provides. What they don't realize is that not only do you get ethanol, but corn oil(possible biodiesel uses here?)for frying ect..., and the feedstocks. Diesel here in Northern Indiana is about $4.00 gal.-Me thinks this has a bigger effect on food prices than everything else. Kroger just had a sales flyer out in the paper for T-bones for $4.99 lb. Beef and pork prices haven't changed much, actually all lvestock has stayed pretty level-only things like you said that need fertilizer ect... are going up. My F150 has been running about 50,000 miles without a problem related to the e85. By the way, my last fillup w e85 in my f150 netted 16.5 mpg! Most of my Bad Bowtie friends don't even get double digits with thier chev's on gas. A properly tuned vehicle will lose only a little bit in milage, but the power rewards are awsome. A co-worker once mentioned to me that if someone like Al Gore, Clinton or Obama would've touted ethanol instead of Bush, that there would be more people supporting it!!! I said that politics shouldn't be a factor in becoming less dependant on foreign oil. Go Corn Squezzins!!!
[quote=blue beast;5382387]We need to push for the government to require the utilization of the oil shale in colorado. We have more oil locked up in there then the middle east!! We will become
the new middle east if we start utilizing it now.
This is true, however, people who I know who work in the petroleum industry say that it would be easier to balance a house on a needle than to drill for domestic oil. With all of the regulations from EPA, environmental groups ect..., it is a pain in the-well you know what. The reason we don't build or expand existing refineries is the same. That is why we are at the mercy of high fuel prices. Every time we have an actual, or impending disaster, prices skyrocket. So...we can do what we are presently doing-a dangerous balancing act, or we could drive more fuel efficient vehicles, find alternitive sources like ethanol, or relax regulations on domestic drilling and building of new refineries for a time to increase production and drive prices down(not likely to happen). P.S.-ULSD (ultra low sulpher diesel) as now mandated by law requires extra refining so that also drives the prices up. Plus if you use it in an older diesel with mechanical pump, you can damage the pump if you don't add an aftermarket pump lube and we have also noticed more fuel leaks due to hardening of the seals.
Thank you BADASSTRUCK!!!! I have been trying to explain this to people for over 5 years now. Our local ethanol plant sells the leftovers also here and they charge about 1/2 of what cracked corn sells for. The only 2 things that are missing out of this feed are the sugars and oils. The proteins, vitamins ect.... are still there. Alot of negative people believe it takes 2 times more energy or more to produce ethanol than what it provides. What they don't realize is that not only do you get ethanol, but corn oil(possible biodiesel uses here?)for frying ect..., and the feedstocks. Diesel here in Northern Indiana is about $4.00 gal.-Me thinks this has a bigger effect on food prices than everything else. Kroger just had a sales flyer out in the paper for T-bones for $4.99 lb. Beef and pork prices haven't changed much, actually all lvestock has stayed pretty level-only things like you said that need fertilizer ect... are going up. My F150 has been running about 50,000 miles without a problem related to the e85. By the way, my last fillup w e85 in my f150 netted 16.5 mpg! Most of my Bad Bowtie friends don't even get double digits with thier chev's on gas. A properly tuned vehicle will lose only a little bit in milage, but the power rewards are awsome. A co-worker once mentioned to me that if someone like Al Gore, Clinton or Obama would've touted ethanol instead of Bush, that there would be more people supporting it!!! I said that politics shouldn't be a factor in becoming less dependant on foreign oil. Go Corn Squezzins!!!
I have been using 10% corn gas for years but trying to explain the benefits to others has been impossible. We have been wintering in Or and they are just now going with 10% and I have to laugh at all the negatives going around fueled be the news media. My sister was all worried about it until I told her I have been using it for 20 years without any problems at all. The worst thing about switching to it is that when you start using it the mileage drops and the motor runs like crap until the system gets cleaned out.
Denny
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