steering - jumping to one side or other suddenly
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steering - jumping to one side or other suddenly
other than the A/C...the only other thing I have left to tackle is the steering...under 30...no problems. once you get above 30 - 35...you can just be driving along and all of a sudden, it'll just jump or lean to one side or the other. it feels like it just kinda leans quickly or jumps over to one side. It'll do it to the left or the right...no difference in sides.
we checked out the steering stabilizer and it looks good...nice and stiff..and no fluid leaking...tightened it all back up. a guy that was helping talked about the body leaning from one side to the other when I turned the wheels with them looking at everything. It was pretty noticeable. he recommended we changed the track bar bushings...which we did...we also got under it and torqued down every nut on the steering/suspension on the front end...it tightened up the steering some...but didn't stop the lean/jump from one side to the other. we even tightened up the steering with the adjuster screw on the gear box...but that didn't fix it either. from under the truck...if we have someone turning the wheel....it looks like everything else is good.
every thread I've read thru says that big tires and a lift are always problems for steering...but surely there is a way to fix it?? surely I don't have to live with this saftey issue?? I've got 33x13.50x15 on the truck (from the PO)...it also has a 3 in suspension lift (also from PO). (its the truck in the signature and gallery)
any ideas? - thanks
we checked out the steering stabilizer and it looks good...nice and stiff..and no fluid leaking...tightened it all back up. a guy that was helping talked about the body leaning from one side to the other when I turned the wheels with them looking at everything. It was pretty noticeable. he recommended we changed the track bar bushings...which we did...we also got under it and torqued down every nut on the steering/suspension on the front end...it tightened up the steering some...but didn't stop the lean/jump from one side to the other. we even tightened up the steering with the adjuster screw on the gear box...but that didn't fix it either. from under the truck...if we have someone turning the wheel....it looks like everything else is good.
every thread I've read thru says that big tires and a lift are always problems for steering...but surely there is a way to fix it?? surely I don't have to live with this saftey issue?? I've got 33x13.50x15 on the truck (from the PO)...it also has a 3 in suspension lift (also from PO). (its the truck in the signature and gallery)
any ideas? - thanks
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Did you inspect/replace your radius arm bushings? If the lift was done incorrectly, your front end may require shimming at the other end(axle side) of your radius arms to correct the altered steering geometry. Have you put the front end up in the air and push/pulled on the tires top and bottom for any end play? Are your U bolts on the rear axle tight?
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Originally Posted by masterbeavis
Did you inspect/replace your radius arm bushings? If the lift was done incorrectly, your front end may require shimming at the other end(axle side) of your radius arms to correct the altered steering geometry. Have you put the front end up in the air and push/pulled on the tires top and bottom for any end play? Are your U bolts on the rear axle tight?
I haven't put the front end in the air...other than on a floor jack...but have been underneath while someone was turning back and forth....Haven't checked the rear u bolts...but will this evening....
If I took it in for one of those "free wheel alignment tests"...would it be able to pick up on the issue caused by the radius arm bushings? without access to a lift, how can I test the top and bottom end of the tires for play?
any other suggestions or ideas?
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thanks masterbeavis...appreciate the ideas....I'll check the U bolts tonight on the rear...and see if I can find out if they ever replaced the radius bushings when they did the lift. Don't most of the kits come with them? My brother keeps telling me to just go get an alignment check too...but I kinda was hoping to figure it out without doing that.
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man....so many "possible" things...I know it "could be" the radius arm bushings, ball joints, u joints, etc...if I take it to get an alignment check, will they be able to isolate the problem so that I don't just "throw parts and money" at it? can't really afford to just keep replacing parts that aren't the cause of it. I know it all has a cumulative effect...and so it will all probably "help" in the end...but I'd prefer to find it and fix it rather than everything around it!
thanks for all the ideas and things to check...hopefully we can nail it down to one of them and get it back steering like its supposed to.
thanks for all the ideas and things to check...hopefully we can nail it down to one of them and get it back steering like its supposed to.
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ok,you said the body had a sudden lean......may be stupid but if there is not a suspension problem the next question i would have would be do you have a body lift?Is there exsessive rust underneath? Leading to the maybe stupid...check the body mounts. oh by the way ball joints?.................should be kingpins
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Originally Posted by Berek
ok,you said the body had a sudden lean......may be stupid but if there is not a suspension problem the next question i would have would be do you have a body lift?Is there exsessive rust underneath? Leading to the maybe stupid...check the body mounts. oh by the way ball joints?.................should be kingpins
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I would replace the C-bushings and the radius arm bushings, both of those will cause the side to side grab if they are worn out, and yes, they make C-Bushings with the caster adjusted for the lift, I have 2 degree C-Bushings in my 77, took it to the alignment shop,,, he said factory perfect as it sits. Energy suspension makes the bushings, check with a 4 wheel place (reputible) or 4wheelparts.com I ordered all new bushings, trackbar/radius arm/C-bushings was less than $50 for all of them. Will make a BIG difference, espesially with 33's. Also check your pitman arm make sure it is tight, and the steering gear box.
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Originally Posted by Pickupmanx2
I would replace the C-bushings and the radius arm bushings, both of those will cause the side to side grab if they are worn out, and yes, they make C-Bushings with the caster adjusted for the lift, I have 2 degree C-Bushings in my 77, took it to the alignment shop,,, he said factory perfect as it sits. Energy suspension makes the bushings, check with a 4 wheel place (reputible) or 4wheelparts.com I ordered all new bushings, trackbar/radius arm/C-bushings was less than $50 for all of them. Will make a BIG difference, espesially with 33's. Also check your pitman arm make sure it is tight, and the steering gear box.
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When the radius arm bushings are gone, sometimes you cant see it until you sit in the truck and hold the brakes, and have someone watch as you put it in gear, keep the brake on and give it a little gas, and you can SEE the axle move, from outside appearances, the radius arm bushings looked ok, so did the C-bushings, I would venture to say it drives as good as my wifes 02 Ex. (but I just like it more too)