Went to by the wife a new MKX

redford · #1 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 08:50 AM

We finally decided it was time for the wife to trade in her 2003 Crown Victoria LX. She wanted a 2007 Lincoln MKX. A little internet research showed us two in the area that had the color and options she wanted. I tried to get the local Lincoln dealer to give me an internet price, but they wouldn't deal that way, so we paid them a visit.

After test driving, offers, counters and frustration, I walked away. On a leftover 2007 (it is the 2008 MY) they would only come about $1000 off of MSRP on a $35,000 vehicle. No wonder they have 2007 MKXs on the lot!

To make a long story short, we brought home a new (2007) Nissan Murano AWD.

Lincoln must think the cars are gold plated or something.

NumberDummy · #2 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 08:56 AM

My wife leased a 2005 Murano SL. It now has 26,000 miles. Problems: ZERO

Murano owners manual says Premium Fuel, but Nissan dealer says 89 octane is fine.

wendell borror · #3 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 08:57 AM

Your not only tight, but a trader ha ha. Enjoy your new ride, sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Personally, I would walk before I would buy japanese, but thats just me, I'm funny that way.

NumberDummy · #4 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wendell borror

Your not only tight, but a trader ha ha. Enjoy your new ride, sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Personally, I would walk before I would buy japanese, but thats just me, I'm funny that way.

Hey Wendell, what make of transmission does your Ranger have? How about the A/C compressor on the Mustang, Ranger or Jeep?

Toyo Kogyo (Mazda) transmission, Nippondenso compressor....tsk tsk tsk. Better shop for a good brand of walking shoes.

PS: Better not turn on any of the radios, most are made in Japan.

Niitaka Ono Rama 12/08

wendell borror · #5 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 09:55 AM

My ranger has the M5OD mazda 5-speed, in which ford owns controlling interest. It's better to own the japanese company than be owned. If I did buy japanese, it would be a mazda as it still helps ford. You sure are fast to come to the defense of the japanese, I'm stsrting to question your fordness ha ha.

NumberDummy · #6 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wendell borror

My ranger has the M5OD mazda 5-speed, in which ford owns controlling interest. It's better to own the japanese company than be owned. If I did buy japanese, it would be a mazda as it still helps ford. You sure are fast to come to the defense of the japanese, I'm stsrting to question your fordness ha ha.

I'm not coming to the defense of the Japanese, I'm merely pointing out that Ford has used Japanese made parts for decades.

I'm very fond of certain Ford cars and trucks, but the companies record as far as caring for their customers STINKS, and has since the 1970's.

Exploding Pinto gas tanks...Ford did nothing till the government forced them to.

Exploding gas tanks on Crown Vics, Lincoln Town Cars and Mercury Grand Marquis. The test mules for this trio were up and running in 1976, during the Pinto fiasco. The same fix Ford used on Pinto's is being used on these cars. A plastic shield in front of the tank, and a longer filler neck.

Defective drag links on Rangers/Bronco II's led to a Class Action law suit, because Ford did nothing.

The use of C rated (instead of D rated) Firestone tires on Explorers to save a buck, then lowering the suggested PSI rating to make the ride more comfortable. Y'all know where that led.

The on-going cruise control switch fiasco.

Dizzy mounted ignition modules...Ford after nearly 15 years of saying there was nothing wrong with them (They were a POS!!) was forced by the government to recall 5 million vehicles several years ago to replace them.

Wendell, I like my two 1963 Galaxies and my 1965 pickup, but my daily driver is a Nissan Titan. I also have a 2004 Lariat, but it's in New Mexico being driven by my nephew. I had 5 warranty claims on this truck in 17,000 miles (the trans failed the first week). My previous 6 new Ford trucks and 2 new cars had none.

SMIGGS · #7 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wendell borror

My ranger has the M5OD mazda 5-speed, in which ford owns controlling interest. It's better to own the japanese company than be owned. If I did buy japanese, it would be a mazda as it still helps ford. I'm sure fast to come and whine about the japanese, I'm stsrting to question my logic. ha ha.

Fixed it for ya!

So by this logic, you are employing "furrin" workers that build that transmission and that money for the controlling interest that Ford has had to come from somewhere. Maybe money from the US?

So it's fine for Ford ( because they are a US company ) to set up shop and employ people overseas to build parts but it's wrong for a Japanese company to set up shop in the US and provide jobs.

Oh right, we all know that since the headquarters for Ford is in the US, ALL the money stays here.......

So who pays the "furrin" workers?

redford · #8 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 01:03 PM

I try to look beyond the national labels here. Nissan is not a Japanese company. Ford is not an American company. It is a world economy. Companies belong to stock holders.

What ticked me off was the unwillingness of the Lincoln dealer to bargain. I mean, when I got my 2007 F-250 I got 20% off of MSRP in November 2006! Almost one year later, these guys won't give me a 3% shave on a leftover vehicle!

Also, before we purchased the Murano, we looked at a Ford Edge, Mazda CX-9, Mazda CX-7, VW Touraeg (spelling?), and considered the Hyundia, BMW, Mercedes, Land Rover and Volvo CUVs. I didn't see anything made by GM or Mopar even worth looking at.

SMIGGS · #9 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by redford

I try to look beyond the national labels here. Nissan is not a Japanese company. Ford is not an American company. It is a world economy. Companies belong to stock holders.

What ticked me off was the unwillingness of the Lincoln dealer to bargain. I mean, when I got my 2007 F-250 I got 20% off of MSRP in November 2006! Almost one year later, these guys won't give me a 3% shave on a leftover vehicle!.

Me too. I try to get the best bang for my buck, and to me, if I can get the same vehicle that fits my needs for thousands less, I'm not too particular who built it ( brand ). As long as the quality is there.

I would think that the interaction between a customer and dealer is what seals the deal in a majority of cases. ( the rest would be brand loyality ) And in your case, if they weren't willing to work with ya, than why would you give them a sale. I can totally see your view on this. I would imagine it happens with every manufacturers, some more than others.

Good luck with the new purchase.

NumberDummy · #10 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 02:56 PM

On Ford.com, they are offering a $1,000 rebate on the 2007 MKX, and an additional $500.00 off for active military personnel. Retired military is not eligible for the $500.00 discount.

Cars.com: Starting list price for a MKX is $34,120.00 / Invoice is $31,523.00

If your new Murano has a cloth interior, please be aware it's the best dog hair removal tool on the planet!

97 Mountain Man · #11 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wendell borror

Your not only tight, but a trader ha ha. Enjoy your new ride, sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Personally, I would walk before I would buy japanese, but thats just me, I'm funny that way.

I'd buy Japanese before I'd buy a HEEP (aka Jeep) Chrysler has to be the worst American automaker out there.

redford · #12 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 06:41 PM

Leather interior.........although I have considered shaving the dog.

rangerfan · #13 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 97 Mountain Man

I'd buy Japanese before I'd buy a HEEP (aka Jeep) Chrysler has to be the worst American automaker out there.

Don't even get me started on Jeep. Hey 97 Mountain Man I traded that POS off in your town of Raytown at Dick Smith Ford. That is the best dealership that I have ever been to.

herman391 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 12:06 AM

I try to stay away from the foereign vs. domestic arguments because I'm a little biased as most of the jobs in my area WERE automotive related but since most of the parts are made overseas now it's causing the plants to close it's darn near impossible to find a job around here. But I would still buy a European car before a Japanese, with that said I hope your Nissan works out well for you!

wendell borror · #15 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 09:02 AM

To make it short and sweet to avoid these japanese loving arguments, fords the best, scew the rest. I don't have anything against the japanese building cars over here, just the americans that buy them. One world economy is a pipe dream, if you look at are trade deficiet. Great for the world, it sucks for us. Most of the world would love to see us go down and for sure isn't going to do anything to help us, in trade or other wise. Japen being the exception, as they are one of the few that really need us for thier own survivial, Japan is a true allie. However, we can't destroy are own companies to help them, thier doing fine, were not. For God's sake man, get some pride, buy american ha ha. I was in the air force also, 823rd Red Horse out of Hurlburt Fld in Fla. If I had it to do over again I would still be there.