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Old 10-03-2007, 07:06 PM
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1950 4x4 conversion

Ok here is the deal. I have a 50 that I want to build into a 4x4. I was considering a ranger frame swap but from what I have read on here it may be a little more than I care to tackle. So here is the question, what would you guys recomend for a donor vehicle as far as suspension goes. I think that just swaping out the front suspension and rear axle may be a better route to go.

I am not building a full blown mud slinger or rock crawler, I just want a good hunting rig that will be used on and off road often.

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most fullsize truck axles are alittle wide (in my opinion)
that said, i think the older ford bronco's front Dana 44 axle with Radius arms and coil springs would be a good swap.
it's more difficult than a leaf spring straight axle swap.
i'm sure some other will post, any solid axle/leaf spring swap would be simplest.
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I'm in the process of doing this very swap myself on my 52 F-3. I'm using the engine/tranny/t-case out of a 1979 Ford (460, C6, NP205), rear dana 60 out of a 1969 F-250. For the front axle I'm building a custom Dana 44 using the housing and internals out of a 72 and older Bronco, then swapping in a set of 1978 F-250 knuckles, spindles, hubs/rotors and brakes to give me the 8 bolt hubs.

I'm using the early bronco axle because its within an inch or so of the stock axle width. I will however be cutting off the c-wedges (which are welded on in the smaller broncos) and welding on spring perches and using leaf springs. I'm also planning on using a hybrid of the late 70's fullsize truck and the early bronco steering parts. I am also debating about trying to find a 1972 or earlier leaf sprung F-250 4x4 to pirate the leaft springs and hangers off of.

I don't have anything assembled yet, but I am collecting the parts I will need and will hopefully start putting it all together soon.
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most fullsize truck axles are alittle wide (in my opinion)
that said, i think the older ford bronco's front Dana 44 axle with Radius arms and coil springs would be a good swap.
it's more difficult than a leaf spring straight axle swap.
i'm sure some other will post, any solid axle/leaf spring swap would be simplest.
66-77 bronco track width is too narrow for the F1, though not by much. A local here, used a ranger frame to great success....I just wish I could get a hold of him. (schedules ya know) My guess would be to try a full size truck from 59-72. With an Atlas t-case that is indexable for clearance issues.
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I'm in the process of doing this very swap myself on my 52 F-3. I'm using the engine/tranny/t-case out of a 1979 Ford (460, C6, NP205), rear dana 60 out of a 1969 F-250. For the front axle I'm building a custom Dana 44 using the housing and internals out of a 72 and older Bronco, then swapping in a set of 1978 F-250 knuckles, spindles, hubs/rotors and brakes to give me the 8 bolt hubs.
I'm using the early bronco axle because its within an inch or so of the stock axle width. I will however be cutting off the c-wedges (which are welded on in the smaller broncos) and welding on spring perches and using leaf springs. I'm also planning on using a hybrid of the late 70's fullsize truck and the early bronco steering parts. I am also debating about trying to find a 1972 or earlier leaf sprung F-250 4x4 to pirate the leaft springs and hangers off of
i like the sound of your build, cutting them C-wedges could be iffy, i've hear that some of those cast radius arm mounts don't have a tube all the way throught (it's like 2 short pieces, pressed into the cast from both sides)....

have you considered just getting a full width 8-lug dana 44 from and older 4x4 and just narrowing the long side tube? it's not as hard as it sounds to cut the inner "C" off (ball-joint pivot) press out the the section of tubing/cut to size and press/weld back on.
then you cans set the caster/pinion angle perfectly also.......
here's a link to one i took pictures of awhile back http://www.geocities.com/yj3qtr_ton/dana44front.html
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i like the sound of your build, cutting them C-wedges could be iffy, i've hear that some of those cast radius arm mounts don't have a tube all the way throught (it's like 2 short pieces, pressed into the cast from both sides)....
I've done a bit of homework on the dana 44 axles and all of the early model broncos used welded on C-wedges that can be cut off. The axles that would be an issue are the 78-79 Dana 44's used on the full side broncos and F-150's that use a cast type C-wedge that it pressed on, those are the ones that don't have a complete tube.

As far as the width of the early bronco axle, from my homework I've seen that the EB bronco Dana 44 front has a width of 60 inches WMF to WMF (WMF = wheel mounting flange). My stock axle on my 52 F-3 has the same 60 in width.

I've toyed a bit with the idea of having a wider Dana 44 narrowed to fit, but I want to see if the EB bronco will work first. I'd rather not have to mess with custom axle lengths
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Pre 1990 SWB Regular Cab SuperCab Front Track Rear Track
107.9 113.0 125.0 55.3 54.1
92-94 108.2 114.2 125.4 55.3 54.1
95-97 108.2 114.2 125.4 56.6 57.3
98-03 111.4 117.4 125.7 57.3 58.5

Pre 90 4x4 front axles were Dana 28's then Dana 35 in 90 if it was a 4.0L
1997 and prior are TwinTrack front ends and 98 and newer are SLA suspension.

I have some other specific body frame dimensions if you find something that will work for you. The track width looks like you would be better off using a early-mid 90 F150 SWB .
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