I received my 66 F250 from California. Great starter truck! Very solid body with a remanufactured 352. It is a four speed with a granny gear. I'll post some pics soon. I'm going to be visiting Jack O'brien Monday in Madison, IN. he has an auto service shop there and is highly reputable on rebuilding the FE motors. He aparently has ample 428 parts as well. We're going to discuss upgrading from a 352 to a 428. I already have a 1U 428 crank that I will have checked. I purchased it on ebay from Colorado crankshaft. It's supposed to be within original tolerances.
I realize that a 428 upgrade won't be cheap to say the least. However I would like to know what parts off of my 352 with as cast iron 4V intake and 4V carb (not sure what kind yet) will work on a 428. I'm guessing the following parts will work on a 428. Alternator, starter, fuel pump, (I think an upgrade on the oil pump is recomended). What other parts can I use off the 352? What parts would work off the 352 but I'd be wise to upgrade anyway?
I told Jack that I'd read here about overdrive transmissions for these trucks. He suggested that a lower geared rearend would accomplish the same goal (lower revs on the highway and better fuel economy) as an overdrive unit. he said a 428 would have plenty of power fo my stated goals with the lower geared rearend. I don't know what the gearing is at this point. It seem pretty tall to me but I don't have much experience with these types of trucks for comparison.
The truck will be driven ocassionally for haulling purposes and for fun. It's not going to be a race truck or a daily driver (fuel costs too much). I do want to be able to trailer cars and maybe a boat in the future. We have plenty of hills on the interstates here and I'd like to be able to pull them trailering a full sized car or pickup or similar weight 65-70 MPH. Based on all my reading here (great site with may knowledgeable people!!) I think about 400 HP and 440 ft/lb torque is attainable on 9.5:1 compression 428 engine without to radical of an engine build.
You can use the complete heads, rockers (if a stock to mild cam is used) and intake. STD 428's found in passenger cars used std FE parts. The Cobra Jets had better heads, carb, dizzy and intake. The main thing you need is a block, crank (which you have) pistons and a set of short rods. You can have the flywheel rebalanced. Most everything else will work. You'd want some better ex mani's of headers too. Just have him go over what's still good in your parts and what needs to be replaced.
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68 Mercury Cougar XR7. Sumthin FE under da hood.
FFR428 - Thats great news on the reusable parts. Jack has a 428 block for $800.00 and he probably has rods, pistons etc.
DarkWolf40 - I was not planning to bore the 352 to a 428. Sorry if i was not clear on that. I have considered buying a 390 and going to a 410 using the 428 crank that I already have. At this point I'm pretty certain I'll go with the 428 option unless the price is way over the top.
I've never built an engine before and and don't feel confident enough to do this myself. I've done my share of automotive maintenance and repairs over the years and have a garage and most of the necessary tools. I'm just not sure I have mechanical skills for an engine build. I do have a copy Steve Christ's book though. I'd like to save the cash by doing it myself I just don't want to end up with an engine that does not work or worse. I'll let you guys know what I decide to do. Thank you for the information!
If you can get a 428 block that's servicable I say go for it. If not, a 390 stroked to a 410 is very respectable. I love mine, its has lots of torque. I can pass everyone going up the mountain. I went a little wild and put aluminum manifold, heads, water pump, etc. Probably doubled the HP from stock and trimmed off 150 lbs. I would have gone to a 428 though if I'd of had a block.
Taking your 352 out to a 428 bore is iffy. You might consider the 410 set up as I did.
Easly done if you have a D3 or a D4 Block! Depends on what block you got. If it was one of those that I just mentioned, go for it! Otherwise if not.... Then I would have it sonic checked if it was me. JMHO
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Built Ford Tuff With Good Ford Stuff
79 F-250 X-Cab 4x4 6.9 Turbo Diesel
64 Falcon X-Ram 428
55 FORD Truck 4-link Rides on air with X-Ram 428
67 Stang 351 C/J
2000 Yamaha V-MAX VMOA#4277
Out of curiosity, what's the chances of having a block that you can bore out like that? It'd be something fun to do for sure. I'm kinda curious how worthwhile it is over a 390 or 410, though.
I should look around at parts again.. going to be rebuilding a 360 into at least a 390 soon enough. 427/428 just means saving up a little more is all.
For a 428? You just need to see if a 13/64" drill bit shank fits between the cyl wall cores inside the block. You need to remove the 6 freeze plugs to check. Then a sonic for thickness and coreshift.
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68 Mercury Cougar XR7. Sumthin FE under da hood.
Wes any updates on the 427? Are you going to try the tunnelport heads?
The Tunnelports need a ton of work!!!! And I don't have the cash for a intake right this minute LOL.
Next step would be to dump the 427 in the 69 Stang and get it going! Lets see how long that will last LOL......The 427.
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Wes Adams FORD428CJ
Built Ford Tuff With Good Ford Stuff
79 F-250 X-Cab 4x4 6.9 Turbo Diesel
64 Falcon X-Ram 428
55 FORD Truck 4-link Rides on air with X-Ram 428
67 Stang 351 C/J
2000 Yamaha V-MAX VMOA#4277
If you can get a 428 block that's servicable I say go for it. If not, a 390 stroked to a 410 is very respectable. I love mine, its has lots of torque. I Probably doubled the HP from stock and trimmed off 150 lbs.
I find that a tall order on your hp considering the 410 back in 67 was 330 hp@ 4,600 and 444 tq@ 2,800 with 10.5 cr with good leaded gas vs todays gas.
I find that a tall order on your hp considering the 410 back in 67 was 330 hp@ 4,600 and 444 tq@ 2,800 with 10.5 cr with good leaded gas vs todays gas.
The gas of today is better then the gas of yesterday. Plugs don't foul as easy as they did then. They have had a few articles in Car Crafter and a few others about the fuel today.
Also look at the power people are running on pump gas. Jay Brown is pulling close to 1200 HP out of an FE with pump gas (92 octane)! No one would have dreamed that 30 to 40 years ago. And look at Hot Rods "Drag Week". Got to run on pump gas. Technology has helped out a lot in some respects and not in others LOL. JMO
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Wes Adams FORD428CJ
Built Ford Tuff With Good Ford Stuff
79 F-250 X-Cab 4x4 6.9 Turbo Diesel
64 Falcon X-Ram 428
55 FORD Truck 4-link Rides on air with X-Ram 428
67 Stang 351 C/J
2000 Yamaha V-MAX VMOA#4277
My 410 with all the modern goodies is easilly 400hp, probably a bit more.
I can live with those numbers, the near double hp would be 660 was a little too far of a stretch unless you had some high dollar big time ported heads.
Just busting your chops there DarkWolf, 414 w/C4G's in my 68 CS.
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