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Hey guys. I've only been to a few truck pulls, but from those few events I have a question. Why do I see a bunch of dodges, but very few fords? Is there a specific reason for this?
ya, i see more Ford trucks than anything up here. Kinda funny my buddy with a 97 F250 with a 7.3 w/ some upgrades pulled off against a 203 dodge cummins 1 ton dually and won
It's cheaper and easier to get more power out of a Cummins than a Powerstroke. That's why there's more of them at truck pulls. Follow the almighty dollar.
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i hate cummins, I don't see where dodge fans get all excited and get there panties in a bunch about them. There trucks generally run higher than Ford trucks around here. Not to mention on YouTube and myspace dodge fans post the same 5 videos over and over and over. We don't need videos, we know PSD runs strong
by me its split close between dodge and ford, but leaning towards dodge, chevy makes an apperance, but usually fails with broken frotn end components, and the dodge's have too much done in the upper classes for the fords to compete
[quote=Pocket]It's cheaper and easier to get more power out of a Cummins than a Powerstroke. That's why there's more of them at truck pulls. Follow the almighty dollar.[/QUOTE
Uh, yeah...Ooooorrrrr, it could be the inline 6 and torque? :O How exactly is it "cheaper and easier" to get more power out of a Cummins? Not tryin to be a *****, just curious about what the justification is behind this.
Uh, yeah...Ooooorrrrr, it could be the inline 6 and torque? :O How exactly is it "cheaper and easier" to get more power out of a Cummins? Not tryin to be a *****, just curious about what the justification is behind this.
If you look at the more current trucks, it's all about the fuel system: common rail vs. HEUI. Cummins is a CR engine and highly tuneable compared to the Powerstrokes which use HEUI. There are 1000 hp Cummins out there, but not a single Powerstroke (6.0 or 7.3) has ever hit that mark, or even come close. Put $15K of mods into a Powerstroke or Cummins and see which one has the least amount of power in the end..... it will always be the PSD. Also Cummins just flat out have cheap parts compared to a PSD. Price out injectors for each one and you'll see.
Inline 6 vs V8 has nothing to do with it, just look at the Dmax. There's plenty of those out there hitting 1000+ hp. Again the Dmax is a common rail setup. The only reason you don't see more of those at truck pulls is because of GM's weak IFS front ends. However the Dmax and Cummins can both put out the same power.
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2002 F-250 PSD
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478hp/851tq on Haller's dyno - 7/28/12
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If you look at the more current trucks, it's all about the fuel system: common rail vs. HEUI. Cummins is a CR engine and highly tuneable compared to the Powerstrokes which use HEUI. There are 1000 hp Cummins out there, but not a single Powerstroke (6.0 or 7.3) has ever hit that mark, or even come close. Put $15K of mods into a Powerstroke or Cummins and see which one has the least amount of power in the end..... it will always be the PSD. Also Cummins just flat out have cheap parts compared to a PSD. Price out injectors for each one and you'll see.
Inline 6 vs V8 has nothing to do with it, just look at the Dmax. There's plenty of those out there hitting 1000+ hp. Again the Dmax is a common rail setup. The only reason you don't see more of those at truck pulls is because of GM's weak IFS front ends. However the Dmax and Cummins can both put out the same power.
i didn't think the 5.9 12v cummins were CR, or the 24v, and also, think about this... the cummins only needs enough parts for 6 cylinders, the PSD needs parts for 8... that's about 33% more for PSD parts because of the increased amount of parts needed
The 24v is a CR. That's the one I'm referring to in my post, hence the reference to the "more current trucks". The older 12v Cummins are just stupid cheap to upgrade compared to a PSD. Also the 12v's still don't use HEUI.
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think about this... the cummins only needs enough parts for 6 cylinders, the PSD needs parts for 8... that's about 33% more for PSD parts because of the increased amount of parts needed
If you are trying to associate increased weight with increased parts, forget it. For example: compare a Cummins rod to a PSD rod. The Cummins rod is almost twice as thick.
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2002 F-250 PSD
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The 24v is a CR. That's the one I'm referring to in my post, hence the reference to the "more current trucks". The older 12v Cummins are just stupid cheap to upgrade compared to a PSD. Also the 12v's still don't use HEUI.
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If you are trying to associate increased weight with increased parts, forget it. For example: compare a Cummins rod to a PSD rod. The Cummins rod is almost twice as thick.
no not weight, just price, less parts SHOULD make it cheaper, and i mean things like injectors, heads, pistons, etc etc
no not weight, just price, less parts SHOULD make it cheaper, and i mean things like injectors, heads, pistons, etc etc
Ahhh gotcha. I guess some parts are cheaper due to that. But some parts aren't like that, such as injectors. A single PSD injector is way more expensive than a single Cummins injector. Also a PSD fuel system and high pressure oil system both have to be addressed when modifying into a high HP truck, where a Cummins doesn't even have a high pressure oil system, so again less parts to buy there.
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2002 F-250 PSD
Gambling with 250/200's on PMR's
478hp/851tq on Haller's dyno - 7/28/12
Your connection to the Colorado diesel community.
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