As above. There is nothing like mashing the pedal of a gasser and taking off. Plus there is that super sexy growl/snarl they make when you do.

 

I can atest to this milage point...My wifes step father has an 01 psd that is 3 months older than my V10..He won't even tell me what he gets for mileage around town but on the highway he only gets at most 2 - 3 MPG better than I. So you would have to drive a s@@t load of miles before you could make up the upfront cost difference and by that time the PSD will be needing some mantainance (spl??) which I would only guess would be higher.....But hey if you want to plug it in every time the weather gets a little nip in the air than go ahead...

Sorry about that but reading that post just kind of chapped my a$$. This guy doesn't even own a SD or a PSD....If it was just a question about the V10 because he was considering buying one than he needs to think about how he say's things...If not (correct me if I am wrong) I don't recall any of us flamming anybody with PSD's...Just X's with SD parts....

 

I think all of the relevant points have been made 'cept one:

The V10 badge looks a h@!! of a lot cooler than the Diesel badge!! (The Bank's eurocals sure sweeten' the deal too )

And there is that part about monsta's wife....

-V10gunner

'00 SD F250 Super Cab XLT, 4X2, 142"WB, 6.8L V10, 4R100, 4.30LS, Camper Package, Dark Toreador Red over Silver, Line-X, Husky mud flaps, Snugtop Xtra Vision Cab-high shell, AutoMeter Tranny Temp Gauge, Banks Stinger and TransCommand

 

Damn,sure took us V-10er's a while to respond and defend our gas engines .
stover007,I would like to thank you for your question.It gives us gassers a chance to dispel many untrue performance assumptions and rumors attributed to the V-10.
Todays diesels are great when they are used for their intended purposes,such as towing heavy loads and general industrial type use.

If you ever have the chance to wind a V-10 up I think you will have a better understanding of our satisfaction.The V-10 is music to my ears .

 

It is the only engine I could get in the E450 Chassis.
The E450 chassis is the only 31" motor home C class
chassis and has the most on chassis weight capacity.

Oh, and it moves it a 13,000 lb motor home up big
mountains at speeds over 70 mph.

So what if it gets 6.5 mpg..a big v-8 would get a little
more economy, but mileage is not a big concern for me
given I only drive it a few thousand miles a year.

-Jim

 

Same reason as Hitech.

 

I have NEVER had a Ford that didn't get 12-14 MPG. And it doesn't matter what it was. My last vehicle was a E-150 conversion van with the 5.0 liter motor, I got 12-14 MPG. My 95 F-250 4WD Supercab PSD got 12-14 MPG. My 93 F-350 crewcab 4WD w/the 7.3 IDI got 12-14 MPG. My 86 F-250 Supercab 4WD with the ATS turbo and C-6 tranny got 12-14 MPG, as did my 91 F-150 4WD supercab 4WD with the 302 and the Mazda 5 speed. My V-10 gets consistently 12-14 MPG. I hear all the talk about PSD guys getting 16, 17 or even higher MPG. But I surely never, ever got anything like that in ANY of my diesels. And here in Oregon/Washington, diesel is 10 to 20 cents a gallon higher than regular. And when it gets cold you need to put in a fuel stabilizer, and plug the darned thing in at night, and check the water separator, and on and on and on. Plus, everytime you pull in to the drive through for a Big Mac, you have to turn the darned thing off, and THAT is bad for diesels. Plus the smell, and the noise, and the weight, AND the $5K check off box on the order form. In the old days we were told that diesels, even though they smoked more, were actually cleaner and better for the environment because it was just harmless soot that was expelled from the exhaust. Well we know better than that now. And like my previous post, there just aint NOTHIN like applying my size 14 foot on that loud pedal and FEEL THE POWER BABY of Ford V-10 !!

 

>Damn,sure took us V-10er's a while to respond and defend our
>gas engines .

Only took me 25 minutes, 4x4x4

 

>>Damn,sure took us V-10er's a while to respond and defend our
>>gas engines .
>
>Only took me 25 minutes, 4x4x4

My sarcastic point exactly.
I think most V-10 owners are very happy with their engines and are quick to defend them.

 

 

Diesel fuel is currently more expensive than gas in my area and the diesel is a $5,000 option compared to 6 or 8 hundred for the big gasser. Also the diesel requires more maintenence so if I were purchasing one of these trucks it would be gas for me. I'd like to see a big V8 make a comeback.

 

NoMo,

At least they didn't bring up my 3rd favorite misconception between the two engines....the resale value.


Let's see if I buy a:

v10 lariet for $30,000
PSD lariet for $34,000


Yes a couple years later the psd should realize a better resale value since it costs 12% more from the get go. The problem is that as the trucks get older it becomes less of an issue. The "overall shape" of the truck is what people will be looking for. And trading a PSD for a PSD won't help either. The sure fire way to benefit is to trade a PSD for a v10. But then that 12% is still missing.

As you stated, if I towed heavy and often I'd probably have one.

Rob

 

I have been intrigued by the whole V-10 vs PSD for quite some time. One thing I finally did the math on is the mileage issue.

Lets say a V-10 averages 12 MPG and a PSD averages 14 MPG. I know these numbers may not be 100 percent accurate, but you can fudge my finding for your situation.

Given the MPG info, lets say diesel fuel is $.10 cheaper than gas. Also, the current price different bewteen the two engines is $4,240.00. (Note: gas and diesel are the same price in my area, so this can really change things.)

What these numbers show is that the PSD will have to have saved 42,400 gallons of fuel to break even in cost. (4,240 / .10)

This means that the V-10 @ 12 MPG will have to run 30,000 gallons of gas to reach 360,000 miles. The PSD @ 14 MPG will have to run 25,714 gallons of diesel to reach the same 360,000 miles. The price difference between the 30k gal of gas vs 25,714 gas of diesel is the "break-even" price. (It is 4,286 gallons difference. Based on my math above, it would take 4,240 gallons to break even -- close enough.)

So... to break even in cost, you have to run 360,000 miles. Me, I run about 25,000 miles a year -- which is above average. This means I would have to have the vehicle for 14 ½ years before I break even.

Now, one thing I haven't factored in the the maintenance costs. Factor that in... and I'll bet you will NEVER break even.

Not to put down the PSD (it is a fine engine), but plain and simple, it is more expensive. If your driving warrants the torque, great. But don't use the mileage issue. Plus, the noise and smell are other compelling reasons -- for or against... depending on which way you "swing."

You either NEED this engine or you don't. The upfront costs will NEVER (realistically speaking) be made up. Also, as others have posted, the "winner" in a pulling contests is too close to call. If you have to pull VERY heavy (like close to the maximum) loads on a REGULAR (daily) basis, get the diesel. If you are a person that just likes to have a big truck with a big engine and pull VERY heavy (like close to maximum) loads on a time-to-time basis (recreational / seasonal) I think the V-10 is more than adequate.

Only a PURE NEED for the diesel can warrant the maintenance. A big "Tim Allen (sp?)" ego (like mine) doesn't warrant the PSD. I cannot wait to get a new SRW F-350. When I do, it will be with the V-10.

 

Rob...you're a man after my own heart..I did the same math..and as much as I LOVE the sound of a Diesel it's just didn't compute for what I am going to use this truck for..(I'm waiting impatiently for the truck to come in)...so what's stopping you from joining the 350/V10 club?
Lisa

 

Rob, I agree except that you'll get 50% of the cost of the diesel back...........so that'll be 180,000 to break even!!! LOL!!!


Or even if you get 25% better economy than stated.......140,000 miles!


Still way longer than I care to wait and put up with the racket and smell.