Ford Truck Enthusiasts, The Internet's Leading Ford Trucks Resource, F150
 

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Misc. > Offroad and 4x4
New! Use your Facebook, Google, AIM & Yahoo accounts to securely log into this site, click logo to login  

Offroad and 4x4 SPONSORED BY:






Is F-150 Still King?
 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #61 (permalink)  
Old 11-23-2008, 09:00 PM
meanv10's Avatar
meanv10 meanv10 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 660
meanv10 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RawPower View Post
You can usually get stronger/cleaner welds with a shielding gas over a flux core wire... so long as it isn't windy or you are in a shop. Anyways, the bracketry welds are pretty good for flux core... but there is always room for improvement
Not true
Flux core mig also known as FCAW, welding gives you a better chance of getting complete fusion of metal and weld. this is the case because flux wire is tubular, and the flux is in the middle of the wire, but what happens is the wire has less area than a solid mig wire, so you need less amps to get flux wire into Spray transfer, as aposed to short circuit transfer which barley has enough fusion to make a good weld. If you pay enough attention you can hear the difference between spray and short circuit

there is actually 4 types of transfer
1)Pulsed
2) Globular
3) Spray
4) Short circuit

Spray sounds like a smooth bacon's sizzling sound and SC sounds like a pulsed bacon sizzling sound.

Mig welding in and of itself is a generaly unrelible prosess due to all of the varebiles you need to get right to make a good weld. Stick welding is the best for relibile welds in the hands of someone with proper training
__________________
03 F350 v10
Kb supercharger
Autometer gauges
35" Baja Mtzs
Reply With Quote
  #62 (permalink)  
Old 11-23-2008, 10:02 PM
Truckin4life Truckin4life is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 3,917
Truckin4life has a great reputation on FTE. Truckin4life has a great reputation on FTE. Truckin4life has a great reputation on FTE. Truckin4life has a great reputation on FTE.
I agree stick welding is more reliable than wire feed....

That would be my guess as to why almost all pro welders use stick over wire feed....

I know i get consistent penetration and consistent welds with a stick over wire feed.....
__________________
Don

I like bacon.

95. f250 4X4. "stock" 5.8l mated to a zf 5speed.
37" good years and some fender trimmin.

Life is short. Play hard!
Reply With Quote
  #63 (permalink)  
Old 11-26-2008, 07:11 PM
meanv10's Avatar
meanv10 meanv10 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 660
meanv10 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truckin4life View Post
I agree stick welding is more reliable than wire feed....

That would be my guess as to why almost all pro welders use stick over wire feed....

I know i get consistent penetration and consistent welds with a stick over wire feed.....
The reason that they use it over Mig is because like on nuclear reactors were every weld is x ray ed they can pick up lack of fusion with stick welding and not Mig.
__________________
03 F350 v10
Kb supercharger
Autometer gauges
35" Baja Mtzs
Reply With Quote
  #64 (permalink)  
Old 11-26-2008, 07:15 PM
Truckin4life Truckin4life is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 3,917
Truckin4life has a great reputation on FTE. Truckin4life has a great reputation on FTE. Truckin4life has a great reputation on FTE. Truckin4life has a great reputation on FTE.
ah. nice thanks for the info!
__________________
Don

I like bacon.

95. f250 4X4. "stock" 5.8l mated to a zf 5speed.
37" good years and some fender trimmin.

Life is short. Play hard!
Reply With Quote
  #65 (permalink)  
Old 12-26-2008, 08:48 PM
crazyredneckanyhow's Avatar
crazyredneckanyhow crazyredneckanyhow is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Across from the neighbors
Posts: 3,378
crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of
Josh how wide is the bumper out to out? I just picked up a sweet 87 and wanna build a bumper like this.
__________________
Just another zombie. my rig:
09 f-150 6" body lift, TTB front,stacked rear blocks,BFG A/T, Fuzzy Dice
Ok so apparently some small minded people dont understand that the truck in this signature is a combination of many sarcasims. Please quit being stupid and study up before you run your mouth about it.
Reply With Quote
  #66 (permalink)  
Old 12-26-2008, 10:26 PM
Josh88Ford Josh88Ford is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 437
Josh88Ford is starting off with a positive reputation.
I cant remember off hand, but if you look at the first page, it will give you the approx. dimension about 75 inches. The nice thing about metal is you can peice it together, grind off the weld and no one could tell. if you do have to put two peices together, like I did, weld both sides and only grind the top, showing side off..if your perferring looks over function.
Reply With Quote
  #67 (permalink)  
Old 12-27-2008, 01:52 AM
must-be-a-stang must-be-a-stang is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 115
must-be-a-stang is starting off with a positive reputation.
Josh, or anyone else that can answer this.

I'm wanting to weld up my own bumper. I took one semester of welding in Diesel school but I'm not very good nor do I know much about what I need.

My questions are; What is the bear minimum I need to weld something like this? Being in college money is tight so I've been looking at 200.00 mig welders at Harbor Freight.

Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

Would this be something I could use?

Also I'd have to use a regular outlet, I don't have (I think it's called) 220, like for an A/C.

I've always wanted to weld, but money is an issue. I could think of endless projects I'd do with it. I've searched the forums for 3 or 4 hours today and found lots of useful info, just nothing that has helped me know what I need exactly.

Josh, I love your work. Seeing this really makes me want to do something like it.
Reply With Quote
  #68 (permalink)  
Old 12-27-2008, 05:46 PM
Josh88Ford Josh88Ford is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 437
Josh88Ford is starting off with a positive reputation.
I think that welders is going to be rated for a 220 outlet. If your really strapped, I think the best bet would be purchasing a arc welder(stick welder) You usually see some on craigslist Although if its your first time welding, I think a mig would be better, especailly for tacking. I am not too familiar with stick welding, so you might want to research that a bit. If you can find a decent 120 volt welder, I think you would be okay welding the bumper with it, but I would not weld anything such as frame mounts, shackles and/or hitches or winch cradles.

If you are really interested in welding in the future, I would suggest saving up for a nicer 120. I have a new lincoln 140c Browser Level Verification and thats pushing it IMO. At work all we use is 220's with .045 wire. you can weld pretty much anything of any size. I have read that the harbor freight ones are complete junk, and others say they are so-so. But I will tell you, having a crappy welder will make you start throwing hammers. Keep the $250 and save another $500 and get a nice one.

Also, if you go with a small welder, you can tack on the frame mounts, shackle tabs ect and bring it to a fab shop and they can weld it with a 220 or stick for a few bucks.
Reply With Quote
  #69 (permalink)  
Old 12-27-2008, 07:34 PM
crazyredneckanyhow's Avatar
crazyredneckanyhow crazyredneckanyhow is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Across from the neighbors
Posts: 3,378
crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of crazyredneckanyhow has much to be proud of
AMn the more i look at this bumper the more i wanna build one. This 87 is gonna be my dd so i need to keep my fingers out of it however.
__________________
Just another zombie. my rig:
09 f-150 6" body lift, TTB front,stacked rear blocks,BFG A/T, Fuzzy Dice
Ok so apparently some small minded people dont understand that the truck in this signature is a combination of many sarcasims. Please quit being stupid and study up before you run your mouth about it.
Reply With Quote
  #70 (permalink)  
Old 12-27-2008, 11:25 PM
ghunt's Avatar
ghunt ghunt is online now
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Morgantown WV
Posts: 2,831
ghunt is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Hey must be a stang, I have an 80 amp Craftsman mig (flux core only) that has served me faithfully for at least 5 or 6 years now. Obviously it's not the best welder out there, but it has been SO handy to have, makes me wonder how I got by without one before.

I've used it for tons of projects including welding subframe connectors into my Thunderbird. It can't do super thick metal, but it will burn holes through 1/8" plate on the highest setting. I think it's rated for 3/16" max. It's 110 volt.
__________________
1994 F250 XLT-Reg cab, 4x4, 5 speed, 7.3 IDI Turbo, manual hubs. 4" intake tube, ATS upgrade, 4" exhaust w/ Walker 21172, boost & pyro on pillar, Autodim mirror, 16x8 MB Razor wheels w/285/75R16 "MT-R's"
1987 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe-Lots of fun stuff to make it go fast & take corners
2008 V-Star 1100 Midnight Custom-Just Cobra slip-on drag pipes for now

Reply With Quote
  #71 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2008, 03:51 PM
meanv10's Avatar
meanv10 meanv10 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 660
meanv10 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices


1) That welder has a duty cycle of of 15% at 110 amps, to weld 1/4 you will need about 120 to 130, so out of every 10 minutes you would be able to use that welder about 1 minute without burning it up. so weld 1 let it cool off for 10.

2) I would never buy a 110v welder if i was going to weld anything thicker than 1/8" arc welding is an electrical process so theoretical power=Volts *Amps, so a 110 will have half the power.

3) stick is a much more reliable process and will be alot cheaper to get into than wire welding with a Chinese POS from Harbor freight. This would be a better choice, there will be more of a learning curve but in the long run for what your spending it will be 100times more reliable. Its also AC.

Lincoln Electric No. K1357, 225 Amps, 25 Arc Volts Stick Welder, Lincoln Electric - K1357 at The Home Depot

Browser Level Verification
__________________
03 F350 v10
Kb supercharger
Autometer gauges
35" Baja Mtzs
Reply With Quote
  #72 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2008, 07:38 PM
must-be-a-stang must-be-a-stang is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 115
must-be-a-stang is starting off with a positive reputation.
1st, I'd like to say sorry to Josh for hijacking his thread so bad.

However I did start mocking up some stuff today with card board. Took my bumper off too. (BTW, What was Ford thinking with those dang bolts for the bumper? I had to bust out the grinder to get two of them off).

About the Welder; I don't want to re-wire anything in my garage. I'm not to sure how hard it is to re-wire for 220 but I'll end up shocking myself.

I looked at the Craftsman welder mentioned and it looks awesome. Not only is it in my price range, but it's a name I feel I can trust.

Can anyone tell me about it? I don't understand the stats. Is the 20% duty cycle better? Will this weld metal good enough to be a bumper?
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00920568000P?mv=rr

I'm very tempted to pick this up, I'm just waiting on more info from this community. As far as stick welding, I'm worried I'm not good enough to do it. I know it takes a good deal of skill.


Thank you guys.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #73 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2008, 08:25 PM
must-be-a-stang must-be-a-stang is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 115
must-be-a-stang is starting off with a positive reputation.
Ok, Josh or anyone else. Here is 3 welders in my range. The one for 299.00 more then I have but I could come up with it.

Which is the best for basic welding, and enough to get me through welding a bumper.

Lincoln Electric Handy Core Wire Feeder Welder - Model K2278-1 at Sears.com
Craftsman Wire Feed Welder, Gasless - Model WE20568 at Sears.com
Lincoln Electric Handy MIG Welder - Model K2185-1 at Sears.com

If I understand, two weld up to 1/8 and the other 3/16. All are 110.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #74 (permalink)  
Old 12-30-2008, 11:50 AM
ghunt's Avatar
ghunt ghunt is online now
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Morgantown WV
Posts: 2,831
ghunt is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
That craftsman you linked to must be the updated version of my welder. On mine, it doesn't have a speed adjustment for the wire feed (I dunno why you'd need to adjust that on that welder anyway). On mine the on off switch is LO, HI, and OFF. Then there's another switce for MIN and MAX. So, if you do LO and MIN you can weld thin sheet, HI and MAX you can do thick stuff like 1/8" super easy.

I don't remember if mine is 20% duty cycle, I thought it was higher than that...the only time I ever had to let the welder cool off was when I was doing my subframes, because that was a LOT of welding. I could weld constantly for a few minutes or so and then I'd have to let it cool off for 5-10 minutes.

Oh, one thing to note (and I'm not sure why it's like this), my welder throws splatter EVERYWHERE. If there's one thing I hate about the welder, it's that. My brother bought a Hobart Handler and runs it with flux core wire, and it doesn't splatter nearly as bad...and it's 110V too.
__________________
1994 F250 XLT-Reg cab, 4x4, 5 speed, 7.3 IDI Turbo, manual hubs. 4" intake tube, ATS upgrade, 4" exhaust w/ Walker 21172, boost & pyro on pillar, Autodim mirror, 16x8 MB Razor wheels w/285/75R16 "MT-R's"
1987 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe-Lots of fun stuff to make it go fast & take corners
2008 V-Star 1100 Midnight Custom-Just Cobra slip-on drag pipes for now

Reply With Quote
  #75 (permalink)  
Old 12-30-2008, 12:36 PM
must-be-a-stang must-be-a-stang is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 115
must-be-a-stang is starting off with a positive reputation.
I thought you could run Flux in any of them???

All the Harbor crap is Flux.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:38 AM.

Guidelines - Contact Us - Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Archive - Top

Powered by: vBulletin | Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC7 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 1997-2008 Internet Brands, Inc.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.