I know I have brought up this question before and got a good initial response. Since neither of my trucks has a Data Tag in the glove box, I would like to have one made. I contacted Tags Back East (datatags.com) and it sounds like they have blanks for the F1 but not earlier and would like to see what one looks like before they can commit to reproducing one. Since I have never seen one of the tags in a truck I was wondering if I could get some questions answered before I do anything.
So my first question is this: since I have the V8 I was under the impression that Ford rated the motor at 100 hp but the sample '46 says 87 and the '47 says 90 hp fo the V8 (81 and 87 for the 6 cyl).
What should the HP ratings read on this plate for the '46 -- does it really look like that sample? I do realize that hp is related to rpm etc, but I guess it confuses me that if the tag is right Ford didn't use the max rating that they used to advertise with.
What is the LxW dimensions of the tag?
What actually goes into the blanks for the 1/2 ton?
1. (GVW Blank) 4700 Lbs (This one seems obvious I guess)
2. (Engine No.) 699C-000000 (so here I am unsure, should it have the full VIN like that with the dash, does it have a star before and after the number, if so what does the star look like?)
3. (Model) 69A-83 (This makes sense also because it is a 1/2 ton V8, What confuses me though is that the sample data tag has a line behind Model and then 4 boxes. Did the Model get stamped into the boxes or on the line?)
No dash, no star on the tag.
The model is stamped in the boxes, 1 character in each box. It would be 3 or 4 letters, the numbers you have after the dash are not included. Here's where it's weird. On my '46 6 1/t ton 6 cylinder, the model reads 6GC, while on my '46 1/2 ton V8 the model reads as 699C, not 69A.
The certified HP was different than the advertised HP, so what the '46 tag reads in the sample you saw online is correct.
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Down to only one, a 1946 1/2 ton
Collector of anything related to 42-47 Ford Trucks
Thanks Gary, that info does help out a lot. It does seem odd that the 699C shows up in both the engine number and for the model of the V8. Well actually not using the "body type" code at all seems odd also. Why have it if they don't use it.
Here is one thing I was thinking after going through the info on Mac Vanpelt's site and the merc truck site I listed above. Maybe they used the full 699C to identify it as opposed to the car which also was a 69A model number?
Can anyone else with a '46 V8 verify the 699C as the model number on the glove box tag, just wondering if this might be one of those stamping things that varied from plant to plant?
Thanks again Gary, maybe some day I will have as much info on these trucks as you.
I did forget one detail, the vin when stamped on the tag does not have a dash, but does have a space. For instace, on my '46 6 cylinder the tag reads IGC 28xxxx
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Down to only one, a 1946 1/2 ton
Collector of anything related to 42-47 Ford Trucks
Again Gary you are great -- You set out to give me one more tip but it looks like I got 2. Not only will I remember the space but I see that they used the I instead of the 1 on this tag also.
I got a reply from the guy at Tags Back East. He said that the picture that I sent him was wrong -- he said that it needed the "F" designation on the tag and he sent me a pict of one for an F1. It does have some differences to the picture on the site I posted above, screw holes out at the bottom corners of the tag, the line with the model says: Series F1 Model (and 3 boxes).
Obviously this is for a newer F1. Could I please get a measurement of a '46 tag including location of the screw holes? I was also wondering if the weight was printed in the GVW box or is it stamped? His tag is printed but I was under the impression that it was stamped. Of course I have never seen one in my life so I really have no idea what it would be. Is this tag made of aluminum? I guess if this guy cannot make one I can certianly try to do it myself.
Again another call out, can any verify that the '46 V8 1/2 ton would have the model stamped on this tag as 699C?
Hope this will work for you, I also have the info on the HP for the Mercury Truck.
Canada never had a 6 cyl engine in its Ford built Vehicles until the mid 50s.
The 1946 1/2 Ton Merc Model C51-C was rated at 90 HP
The 1946 1/2 Ton Merc Model C59-C was reate at 100 HP.
The Ford 1/2 Ton was rated at 90 HP
The Ford 1 Ton was rated at 100 HP. These are CDN. Stats. The pictured info below are U.S. Stats.
I also contacted "Back East", about 3 years ago looking for a Cowl Tag, to get redone for my 47 Coupe. I had all the legal paper work and the Car was imported from the U.S. properly.
I mentioned to him that it had been misplaced, and lost.
His reply to me was that one never existed in the first place, and this completly floored me. It kind of made me look as though I was trying to pull a fast one on him, which I wasn't.
Here in Canada there was a Tag complete with V.I.N. Paint, Trim, Model, etc, stamped on a Tag that was centered in the middle upper portion of the Cowl under the hood. This was introduced in 1946, on Ford built Vehicles here in Canada.
In the U.S. this was apparently not so, as was told to me by "Back East".
Apparently the U.S. built Vehicles didn't start the cowl Tags or V.I.N. Plates until 51 as was again told to me by the same source.
Also if you were shown a glove Box Tag with the "F" designation for your 46, it would be wrong, I think. Reason the "F" Series didn't come into being until 1948, as 1998 was the 50th anniversary of the F-Series Trucks.
Further to your questions on the 6G designation, that was the early 6 Cyl, the "H" was the later one, I believe begining sometime in late 1947.
Ok, got around to pulling the tag off my '46. It measures 4 1/8" wide and 2 7/8" height. Screw holes are 1 3/8" measured from center of hole to center of hole. These screws are the same that attach the glove box handle to the door.The GVW is printed. The stamping for the engine no and model is done very lightly on these. The tag is made of a tin type material, although very very soft, might have some lead in it. The tags can easily be bent with very very little effort.
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Down to only one, a 1946 1/2 ton
Collector of anything related to 42-47 Ford Trucks
Good eye Tim. That is a nice looking Express! I saved that picture so that I can use it as a reference.
Thanks Gary, with that info if the guy at Tags Back East cant do this I should be able to make something that looks good. Again excellent advice, thanks guys.
I am looking at buying a ford/merc truck but the front sheetmetal is missing. the vin # is BD83H49-##### AND THE MODEL # IS BD83. Can you tell me what year, model, engine,etc this vehicle is .
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Originally Posted by soule46
I know I have brought up this question before and got a good initial response. Since neither of my trucks has a Data Tag in the glove box, I would like to have one made. I contacted Tags Back East (datatags.com) and it sounds like they have blanks for the F1 but not earlier and would like to see what one looks like before they can commit to reproducing one. Since I have never seen one of the tags in a truck I was wondering if I could get some questions answered before I do anything.
So my first question is this: since I have the V8 I was under the impression that Ford rated the motor at 100 hp but the sample '46 says 87 and the '47 says 90 hp fo the V8 (81 and 87 for the 6 cyl).
What should the HP ratings read on this plate for the '46 -- does it really look like that sample? I do realize that hp is related to rpm etc, but I guess it confuses me that if the tag is right Ford didn't use the max rating that they used to advertise with.
What is the LxW dimensions of the tag?
What actually goes into the blanks for the 1/2 ton?
1. (GVW Blank) 4700 Lbs (This one seems obvious I guess)
2. (Engine No.) 699C-000000 (so here I am unsure, should it have the full VIN like that with the dash, does it have a star before and after the number, if so what does the star look like?)
3. (Model) 69A-83 (This makes sense also because it is a 1/2 ton V8, What confuses me though is that the sample data tag has a line behind Model and then 4 boxes. Did the Model get stamped into the boxes or on the line?)
If anyone payed attention to that VIN tag that mtflat posted from some guy selling that truck on ebay. dident look quite right, being there is only spose to be 6 numbers after the 699Y... he had 7??? and looking closer at it that last 1 dident look like the rest. just an observation.Unless Im missing something. thanks for the info. still reading and schooling myself.knuck
Last edited by knuck : 07-31-2007 at 12:16 AM.
Reason: wrong letter for vin info
knuck, I also am just learning most of this stuff, Thats why we ask questions. I too had some more questions about that VIN plate. As for the serial number being 7 digits. On MacVanpelts site: http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...ialnumbers.htm
he lists the serial numbers for the '46 fords (cars and trucks I think all add to the serial numbers) 650,280 to 1,412,709 -- so the serial part could be 6 or 7 digits and the 1,144,381 fits in the total above. I think the last one fits as far as shape I just think it is stamped a little out of line -- they were hand stamped.
The question I have, back to Gary since he stated above that his 6 cyl. model number was "IGC" I assumed that I would see the new style 6,9, and 1 on the ebay tag since Gary said that his one was an I. But the all of the numbers are like the old style numbers. Can anyone verify if the 3 new numbers should be stamped or the old numbers? And again a call out for anyone that has a '46 1/2 ton tag, does your model number match Gary's as being 699C?
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