My only point was the 4.4 may not be an ample solution from a mpg over the 5.4 or offer anymore power maybe less power. Less power may require you to drive with more throttle. So this could be a costly propersition, especially since the requirement is not to tow etc.. Everyone is making an assumptuion that the 4.4 will have more power and torque over the 5.4. Bad assumption until the numbers are posted!
I don't know about where you are from but over the past 3 months Diesel here has been a lot sheaper than regular unleaded, about 30 days ago I was paying 70 cents per gallon less for diesel than for gas. Now its been runing about 20-30 cents a gallon cheaper than gas for the past 30 days. Yesterday gas was 3.09 here and Diesel was 2.79
The cost is actually offset by more expensive oil changes, more frequent fuel filter changes, and so on. They almost come out neck and neck in the figures when it's all said and done.
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I can see how that might work out like you say when compairing a 1/2 ton gas to a 3/4 diesel as we sometimes do now days since there is no 1/2 diesels anymore. But comparing 3/4 gas vs 3/4 diesel, the diesel will come out on top every time in total owner or opperational cost.
The woting at this page just got some international attention. Quoted at the reknown AWK
"US: Boost for Ford 4.4-litre F-150 pickup
By John Mortimer
12 July, 2007
Source: Automotive World
According to an unofficial poll, two-thirds of Ford F150 pickup owners would like to have a 4.4-litre diesel engine. This augurs well for Ford's plans to introduce the new 4.4-litre V8 diesel engine in F-Series trucks from late 2008."
the same writer posted this today about enginematerials inside Ford
"Although Ford does not have a global edict imploring engineers to adopt CGI, they nevertheless expect the company's powertrain engineers to put CGI on their "consideration list" whenever they are investigating a new engine design or an engine upgrade."
I voted for the diesel. My '92 F250, 7.3L IDI, 5-speed manual, & 4.11 rear end was getting 19 mpg in the city. Granted it did go down a little at high-way speeds. I think diesels are the way to go, even with all of the new emmisions technology. I can recall gassers had problems for awhile when they first started putting all the emmisions equipment on!
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Just To Let Yall Know. The 4.0, 4.2, 4.6 And 5.4 Are Done. No Mas. Ford Has A New V6, 2 New V8's And The 4.4.
I Know The Bigger V8 Is A 5.8l.
I Think The Small On Is A 4.8-5.2. Somewhere Around There
And The V6 Is Around A 3.4l
They Are The New "boss" Lineup
I Found This Out Straight From An Instructor At My School That Is A Senior Master Tech And Has Been With Ford For Over 20 Years.
Sounds like Ford is trying to capture some of the Marketing "magic" that Dodge has with the Hemi. I say it's about time, the Boss 302 and Boss 429 were pretty damn good!
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I voted diesel just for the novelty. At this point it's too early to see what the entry-level engine will be or what the power rating of the diesel will be. If the diesel has around 400 ft-lbs and I can get a FX4 package it would be perfect.
The 5.4 is fine....I don't like the smelly diesel. We already have 365 pound of torque with the 5.4. With Gas already at 3.00 dollars a gallon the last thing we need is a 6.2 boss. More than likely they will upgrade the 5.4 to 350 horses and 400 pounds of torque and they will drop the 6.2 engine in favor of the V10 they already have. Now...A V10 in a F150...That would be road burner....Keep the diesel! My niegbor across the street had a 2006 Ford F-250....he paid forty thousand for it....He sold it for 25000 after eight months....From what he told me...he had alot of problems with it.
My fleet rep called to tell me the 4.5 PSD out the LCF was finaly going to make it into the 1/2 ton F150s . He told me they would be available in January. He thought they would still be 2008's but was not possitive.
My fleet rep called to tell me the 4.5 PSD out the LCF was finaly going to make it into the 1/2 ton F150s . He told me they would be available in January. He thought they would still be 2008's but was not possitive.
The extra 3000.00 dollars for the diesel option wouldn't rock....The Extra maintainace costs wouldn't rock. The Extra noise and smell wouldn't rock. The only thing that would rock is the torque....Oh wait a minute, We already have that with the 5.4. 365 pounds worth! That isn't so bad. You could have a Chevy!! Their 5.3 liter engine barely produces 315 pounds of torque. Since when do we need to burn the quarter mile every time we leave a stop light? I have a 5.4 with the crew cab....It has so much power that I can hardly keep from speeding because it gets up ther into the 70 /80 mph so fast is scary. I also pull 4000 pounds on a trailer...I really think that a 6.2 Boss would be a waste..Aren't we supporting enough of the Arabs harems? That Boss engine is going to be a gas sucking pig. The diesel is going to require 10 or twelve qarts of oil every time you change the oil. I think the diesel is going to be costly...I'll just bet it's a 3 or 4000 dollar premium just to have that Clack, Clack , Clack sound under the hood. Are you going to be in that much of a hurry to spend that much money? Me personally....Not going to do it! My 5.4 gets some pretty good numbers in milage department....Around twenty at highway speed. The diesel might get 22. Maybe? I hope I don't make any one grumpy. I like my F-150 just like it is....It's the best truck I've ever owned!
No, not intentionaly, but I talked to him again today and it seems he has less than steller confadince in his source, since he was unable to confirm anything via his regional rep, he is no longer telling me January, and he is no longer sure even if the Diesel will be a PSD. Sorry I thought he had his facts straight before he called me, or I would not have passed on the info.
Nimrod the author of the thread I think asked that this not be made into a Gas vs Diesel debate.
The 5.4 3v is a nice engine and all, but if you think your 17second crew cab is fast, you need to re-evaluate what fast is... do we need a 13 second truck stock? newp, but a lot of people still bought lightnings and harleys. They are cool, and to people that don't need 4x4, awesome. would i be complaining about a 15second truck if i had to pay 1-2 grand extra on a bigger gas motor or 4-5 grand on a diesel, on a truck that's already 35-40 grand fully loaded? hell no, sign me up
seriously, it's a nice truck, but to say it's so fast it's scary, that's pushing it... farther than most of us could drive on a full 30 gallon tank...
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Originally Posted by nimrod1
The extra 3000.00 dollars for the diesel option wouldn't rock....The Extra maintainace costs wouldn't rock. The Extra noise and smell wouldn't rock. The only thing that would rock is the torque....Oh wait a minute, We already have that with the 5.4. 365 pounds worth! That isn't so bad. You could have a Chevy!! Their 5.3 liter engine barely produces 315 pounds of torque. Since when do we need to burn the quarter mile every time we leave a stop light? I have a 5.4 with the crew cab....It has so much power that I can hardly keep from speeding because it gets up ther into the 70 /80 mph so fast is scary. I also pull 4000 pounds on a trailer...I really think that a 6.2 Boss would be a waste..Aren't we supporting enough of the Arabs harems? That Boss engine is going to be a gas sucking pig. The diesel is going to require 10 or twelve qarts of oil every time you change the oil. I think the diesel is going to be costly...I'll just bet it's a 3 or 4000 dollar premium just to have that Clack, Clack , Clack sound under the hood. Are you going to be in that much of a hurry to spend that much money? Me personally....Not going to do it! My 5.4 gets some pretty good numbers in milage department....Around twenty at highway speed. The diesel might get 22. Maybe? I hope I don't make any one grumpy. I like my F-150 just like it is....It's the best truck I've ever owned!
Ford Mustang
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now if only ford made a 4x4 harley or lightning again... sigh...
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