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Nope, it is true, but not only for that reason. A lot of the surplus dried up as the UN has been strong arming couonties like South Africa to stop the sales of Mil surplus stuff. That bough new production prices up. As well as what is being used up in the wars.
My fav round is the 7.62x51 close cousin to the the .308, a couple of years ago it was like $12 to $15 a battlepack (140rd FMJ surplus) now it is all gone with the exception of a few capalistic types selling for the $70 tp $80 range.
David
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I thought about that also. I caught the bug for belt fed guns, so when I shoot, I tend to go thru 1000 rds without much problem. There is a LM7 .22 belt fed conversion for the AR style rifles though
There is some good news on the horizon though, at least concerning new production, PMC just got out of banruptcy, and my son brought home some PMC .223 the other day, so that should help replentish the lines of supply, and I believe that the gov't recently signed contracts which opened up three new production lines, so that should be a big help.
David
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I would use a .30-06 with 220 grain ammo. That's if I was firing. Home defense varies upon what's closest if I owned a gun. Too bad I love these type posts but I can't speak on them much.
Nothing on y'alls level though. Wish I were there.
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ya i was kinda in ammo sticker shock pickin up a few rounds for the g2g.
i did pick up 1000 rounds of 7.62 x 39mm for 200.00
i kinda shyed away from the 300 win rounds at 1.50 each
maybe i should buy a .22 to keep the hobby cheap
Well, now I know who to bum off of if mine shoots halfway decent.
How is the Silver Bear stuff from Cheaper than Dirt? Is it worthwhile, or should I actually spend the money for good ammo? I'm not to worried about fouling, since I do clean with Eezox.
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Haha, Hell yea, I got a .22 marlin I've had for about 11 years now, since I was 13, I LOVE that little sucker, fun as hell to shoot. I remember about 2 years ago when I bought my Nagant I also picked up a tin of 440 surplus 7.62x54 for like $32, but like I say, that was 2 years ago, still got a large ***** of it too...LOL
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I reload both the berdan and boxer primed 7.62x51 / .308 cases, saves a bit, but still that cheap surplus that was available couldn't be beat for cheap plinkin'
Some of the guns though that I shoot tear* up the brass so much that I can't reload, so I cycle downwards thru the guns with the reloads Virgin and 1rst reloads only go in certain guns!
*fluted chambers
David
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I would use a .30-06 with 220 grain ammo. That's if I was firing. Home defense varies upon what's closest if I owned a gun. Too bad I love these type posts but I can't speak on them much.
Nothing on y'alls level though. Wish I were there.
The 30-06 is great. Still very much a desired round. Still considered very first rate. It has been with us for slightly over a hundred years now, and that is amazing!
David
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Haha, Hell yea, I got a .22 marlin I've had for about 11 years now, since I was 13, I LOVE that little sucker, fun as hell to shoot. I remember about 2 years ago when I bought my Nagant I also picked up a tin of 440 surplus 7.62x54 for like $32, but like I say, that was 2 years ago, still got a large ***** of it too...LOL
heh, those marlins are a good starter rifle.
i have two of them myself, some day when my kid can focus i gonna take him out and let him use that gun.
The 30-06 is great. Still very much a desired round. Still considered very first rate. It has been with us for slightly over a hundred years now, and that is amazing!
David
The 30/30 Model 1892 was a 30 cal with 30 grain cartrage. In 1903 they came up with a different cartrage and grain load did not work too well..1906 they came up with the 30-06 (I think about 154 grains).... I forget what the grain load is, but it is still working today.
It must also be remebered that this was during a transistion between black powder and modern powder.
I am getting older, and memory is not like it was when I was studying gunsmithing, so correct me if I am wrong.
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The 30/30 Model 1892 was a 30 cal with 30 grain cartrage. In 1903 they came up with a different cartrage and grain load did not work too well..1906 they came up with the 30-06 (I think about 154 grains).... I forget what the grain load is, but it is still working today.
It must also be remebered that this was during a transistion between black powder and modern powder.
I am getting older, and memory is not like it was when I was studying gunsmithing, so correct me if I am wrong.
Sounds like you have a pretty good memory to me ! You are correct that the 30-30 was origionaly going to be a black powder cartridge, but was changed prior to public release. And you are right again in that it predates the 30-06 by a few years.
I have a Marlin 336A (1969 production) chambered in the 30-30, my only lever action, bought it a few months ago just as a lark. (or maybe I had been watching too many old westerns!) I have only shot it once, and I was suprised at the amount of kickback it has. Nothing like my son's 45-70 Marlin, but still suprising in comparison to my various 7.62x51 / .308 rifles.
I seem to have a afinity for 30 cals - I do have one 9mm and one 22LR, but the majority of what I own are various 30 cals or 7.62. I have about <gasp> as much fun and interest in guns as I do my Ford trucks
Interesting subjects that come up on a Ford site But then I feel that we are more of a community, with many interests, the diversity of which I am a fan! I am on a couple of other gun orientated forums by the same handle, dmanlyr, a handle that I have been using since the old BBS pre web days You just might see me out there.
David
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