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Old 06-04-2007, 03:47 PM
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Turn-Key Vegistroke Now Available.

Well good news!! A Turn Key Vegistroke is now available, including A DFA spec aluminum tank. No drop in, add on, hack together tanks. We worked with a Major tank manufacturer to get tanks made to our specifications so it comes with the kit ready to roll. The Heating is now built into the tank as it is being made. And has enough surface area to Heat any oil in any climate, very quickly. These tanks will come with a Solid state fuel level sender for ultimate reliablility.

Initially there are 3 tanks available, an 80 gn smooth side econo tank, a 60 gallon toolbox tank, and a 90 gallon toolbox tank. The Toolbox tanks are the ultimate in fit and finish and utility. No hoses are visible, and the tanks are diamond plated. All tanks are DOT approved.

I know I have not been in here a lot, but there haven't been many developments as of late in the WVO world. I am however working on a report involving the affects of coking on an engine from running cold oil. And yes, it does happen.
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Another thread on this and I thought it was a funny way to screw with petro companies. Primary fuel as bio and wvo as the running fuel. Way to reduce the cost way more if you need dino with your system.
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Are the fuel lines/eletrical lines hidden as well onthe 80 gallon since it isn't a toolbox? I've got to get a diesel burner so that I can stop feeding big oil. Well that and pull a bigger camper.
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Another thread on this and I thought it was a funny way to screw with petro companies. Primary fuel as bio and wvo as the running fuel. Way to reduce the cost way more if you need dino with your system.
Yep, There are a number of reasons for doing this. Even if it is not free, using Vegetable oil, New or used, Bio or straight, is a way of giving your money to American agriculture and not big oil. While at the same time helping the environment. I have some customers that use my system so they can run b100 year around and not have to worry about cold wether issues.

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Are the fuel lines/eletrical lines hidden as well onthe 80 gallon since it isn't a toolbox? I've got to get a diesel burner so that I can stop feeding big oil. Well that and pull a bigger camper.
Unfortunately, the lines still come out the top. I believe that is part of the DOT reg. However they are all located in the same spot, at one end. The 60 and 90 gallon toolbox tanks are just awesome.
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I heard a report today on the radio where a guy in South Carolina got in trouble for running vegie oil in his 1981 Mercedes. It seems that he was at lowe's motor speedway and there were investigators checking the big RV's to make sure that they were running on road diesel. They noticed a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said he was running 100% veggie oil and they fined $1000.00 bucks for not paying road use taxes in the state and the said that he could expect the same fine from the Feds too. Seems he was buying soy oil from costco (for substantially more than diesel btw) and using it instead of giving his money to "Big OIL"If this is true it really really sucks!!!
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I can see a fedreal/state/county/city agentcy giving out fines for not paying road use taxes. But I have my doubts about Big Oil having anything to do with the fines. At one time the fine in Arkansas for burning non-tax diesel in a truck could be as high as $1,000 a gallon. There is a reason that stuff is bright red. Correct me if I'm wrong but I do beleive you can buy a "road use permit" if your burning a non-tax fuel. I've heard the term...just never looked it up.
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Big oil didn't have anything to do with the fines. The guy didn't want to give his money to big oil, so he volountarily chose to pay more for 5 gallon containers of vegetable oil from costco rather than pay for diesel, even though diesel is cheaper. He was making the statement.
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It doesn't pay to wave a red flag and call attention to yourself if you're skating on thin ice, legally speaking.
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This was sent to me by an email discussion group I read. Here is the link to the artical:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/599471.html
Driver ticketed for using biofuel

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Vegetable oil sticks him with $1,000 fine
by Bruce Henderson, The Charlotte Observer

Bob Teixeira decided it was time to take a stand against U.S.
dependence on foreign oil.

So last fall the Charlotte musician and guitar instructor spent
$1,200 to convert his 1981 diesel Mercedes to run on vegetable oil.
He bought soybean oil in 5-gallon jugs at Costco, spending about 30
percent more than diesel would cost.

His reward, from a state that heavily promotes alternative fuels: a
$1,000 fine last month for not paying motor fuel taxes. He has been
told to expect another $1,000 fine from the federal government.

To legally use veggie oil, state officials told him, he would have to
first post a $2,500 bond.

Teixeira is one of a growing number of fuel-it-yourselfers --
backyard brewers who recycle restaurant grease or make moonshine for
their car tanks. They do it to save money, reduce pollution or thumb
their noses at oil sheiks.

They're also caught in a web of little-known state laws that can
stifle energy independence.

State Sen. Stan Bingham, R-Denton, is known around Raleigh for his
diesel Volkswagen fueled by used soybean oil. The car sports
a "Goodbye, OPEC" sign.

"If somebody was going to go to this much trouble to drive around in
a car that uses soybean oil, they ought to be exempt" from state
taxes, he said.

The state Department of Revenue, which fined Teixeira, has asked
legislators to waive the $2,500 bond for small fuel users. The
department also told Teixeira, after the Observer asked about his
case this week, that it will compromise on his fine.

But officials say they'll keep pursuing taxes on all fuels used in
highway vehicles. With its 29.9-cent a gallon gas tax, the state
collects $1.2 billion each year to pay for road construction.

"With the high cost of fuel right now, the department does recognize
that a lot of people are looking for relief," said Reggie Little,
assistant director of the motor fuel taxes division. "We're not here
to hurt the small guy, we're just trying to make sure that the
playing field is level."

Alternative support
State policies firmly endorse alternative fuels.

In 2005 legislators directed state agencies to replace 20 percent of
their annual petroleum use with alternatives by 2010.
[...]
Few states, however, are prepared to regulate the new fuels, says the
National VegOil Board [ http://vegoil.us ], which promotes vegetable
oil fuel.

"State offices do not have the forms to appropriately and fairly deal
with VegOil, nor the staff to enforce the nonexistent forms," said
director Cynthia Shelton. "So either they tell people inquiring about
compliance to get lost, or they make them jump a bunch of arbitrary
hoops."

Outraged Illinois legislators this spring quickly waived that state's
$2,500 bond requirement when an elderly man was nabbed for using
waste vegetable oil.

In the mountain district of state Sen. John Snow, D-Cherokee, home-
brewed ethanol was once known as moonshine. But a couple of
constituents who made it for fuel have been fined for the same tax
violation that got Teixeira in trouble.

Snow has introduced several bills to promote biodiesel, which under
state law includes vegetable oil.

"One of the biggest problems in the state is a real lack of
information for people who want to use alternative fuels," said
Snow's research assistant, Jonathan Ducote. "It's just now appearing
on [regulators'] radar."

Speedway sting
Teixeira's story began near Lowe's Motor Speedway on May 14. As
recreational vehicles streamed in for race week, revenue
investigators were checking fuel tanks of diesel RVs for illegal fuel.

The investigators spotted Teixeira's passing bumper sticker: "Powered
by 100% vegetable oil."

"It was like some twist of fate that put me there," he said. "It was
like I was asking for them to stop me."

Teixeira says revenue officials are just doing their jobs. But he
thinks it's unfair that he was lumped with people who purposely try
to avoid fuel taxes.

"Individuals who are trying to do the right thing environmentally
cannot and should not continue to take this kind of financial hit,"
he wrote Gov. Mike Easley.

He'll pay the state fine and apply for a state fuel license.

"I'm ready to get myself legal," he said, "and start using vegetable
oil again."

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Nothing would surprise me from taxation of home made fuels. I would expect taxes on anything you put in your tank from most states looking to make a short term buck. But we must consider. VOTE.. The people are "suppose to vote and representatives are suppose to represent the people". Too often representatives forget how they got into office. I think people should have the freedom to use veg oil or if the state chooses to make it and sell it so be it.


But the freedom to be creative should be maintained.

Now how do I get started into veg'gy oil?
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Would a 5 dollar purchase mixed in his tank then make the veggie an addative not a fuel? Wouldnt you have to take a sample and send it in for annalysis? Question questions and I would say I would fight, but my bio will have a few dollars worth of dino just in case.
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Would a 5 dollar purchase mixed in his tank then make the veggie an addative not a fuel? Wouldnt you have to take a sample and send it in for annalysis? Question questions and I would say I would fight, but my bio will have a few dollars worth of dino just in case.
I've read that anything over 5% is no longer considered an additive.

Not that I would recommend lying, but I wonder how the inspectors would tell the difference between home made veg oil fuel and commercially produced BD that has had road taxes paid on it?
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I've read that anything over 5% is no longer considered an additive.

Not that I would recommend lying, but I wonder how the inspectors would tell the difference between home made veg oil fuel and commercially produced BD that has had road taxes paid on it?

I think we have a right to remain silentů anything you say may be used in court!
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There is a document I saw in the archives that says this is true.

The Constitution.
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