Installed a Quadrajet on a 300!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 05-21-2007, 03:07 AM
BigBlue88's Avatar
BigBlue88
BigBlue88 is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia, USA
Posts: 911
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Talking Installed a Quadrajet on a 300!

That's right folks, I installed a rebuilt Rochester M4ME electric choke Quadrajet carburetor on my '76 300! I went with the Offy DP intake, and an Edelbrock-brand spreadbore-to-squarebore adapter, flipped upside down (it was intended to put squarebore carbs on GM intakes....SURPRISE!)

Also done at this same time was the swap from the log exhaust to EFI headers and the Walker y-pipe and a Dynomax 2.5" cat-back. (cat not installed yet)

Don't hate me folks. Chrysler used spreadbore carbs too. Ford is the odd duck out, and shame on Ford for using the tiny YFA. I'm glad they let the six breathe better with the wolly-mammoth spare ribs EFI setup. This is a Rochester carburetor. Not a Delco. It was manufactured for GM; GM had the good sense to use this great carburetor, and in great numbers for nearly 30 years. I got a very good remanufactured carb, with all the tricks and mods done to it; epoxy on the leaky parts, new brass bushings on the primary shaft, the whole nine yards.

After 12 gruelling hours of pounding, grinding, sawzalling and "there's no way this is going to work", the motor ROARED to life like the flick of a switch. No sputtering, no hesitation. Just VROOM! Some tweaking, tuning, adjusting and a coat hanger later, it was idling contentedly in my friends driveway and the right pedal ran the butterflies. I really owe my friend for his great help in fabricating a throttle bracket and donating a fuel inlet fitting off his project Z28. See? GM owners aren't all bad... :-)

There's a couple of exhaust leaks and ticks up front, but it's liveable for now, and will be addressed in subsequent tuning sessions.

How 750CFM drives on a 300CI motor:

It drives fine. It drives great, even. It's far more sensitive at low RPM than the Carter YFA it replaced (fewer vacuum leaks?), and it has some GRUNT. Some of that is also due to the new exhaust. Every time I pulled away from a light, I was stunned at how the truck surged forward, in any gear. It just went. No stumbling. No hesitation, and this is out-of-the-box "generic V8" tuning. Gas mileage wasn't bad either. Maybe a little less than I was getting with the YFA, but some new jets and time with a wideband O2 oughta fix that. The primary bores add up to 165CFM, I think, and the secondary bores are vacuum-regulated, so there's never more bore than the engine can handle. On the highway, it was still limited by the stock cam. No getting around that (until I install my Crane 260 dual pattern. :-)). But the truck jumped to attention when I gave it more gas at speed. The old YFA just made more noise at the exhaust and sort of sped up. Again, 30 year old carb with vacuum leaks, but still.

I'll post more details later. Right now I'm beat tired and am going to shower and collapse into bed.
 
  #2  
Old 05-21-2007, 04:20 AM
srercrcr's Avatar
srercrcr
srercrcr is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,854
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Rochester (fuel systems) and Delco (mostly electonic parts) are both divisions of the General.
 
  #3  
Old 05-21-2007, 08:03 AM
BigBlue88's Avatar
BigBlue88
BigBlue88 is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia, USA
Posts: 911
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Oops. My mistake. Can I plead ignorance on this one? :-)

I chose the Q-Jet based on a bunch of opinions in 4x4 forums and a purportedly successful Slant Six installation. The forums said Holleys never ran right, and AFB variants would starve and die climbing a speed bump. 2BBLs like the 2150 were good, but limited due to being a single-stage design. They loved the Q-Jet because of (quoting) a central fuel bowl, tiny primaries, and you can change the jets just by pulling the air filter lid.

Slant six references:
http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Carb-Quadrajet.htm
http://cars.rasoenterprises.com/Carburetion.htm
 
  #4  
Old 05-21-2007, 01:51 PM
Silver Streak's Avatar
Silver Streak
Silver Streak is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Broken Arrow, OK
Posts: 3,241
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Ford used spread bore carbs also, just not on very many applications. I believe they were all Holley's.

I've had several Holley carbs and never had a problem getting them to run right.
 
  #5  
Old 05-21-2007, 02:00 PM
BigBlue88's Avatar
BigBlue88
BigBlue88 is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia, USA
Posts: 911
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
All right, all right. Enough schooling me. Can I get some congrats for upgrading my truck?
 
  #6  
Old 05-21-2007, 05:53 PM
srercrcr's Avatar
srercrcr
srercrcr is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,854
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That's one of the things girlfriends are for.

By the way, Q-jets have a basic flaw apparantly you haven't heard before....there are two plugs at the bottom of the bowl. Over time, the sealant cracks letting fuel leak into the manifold slowly. If you haven't driven in like three days, there's no fuel in the bowl, you crank it, doesn't start until the fuel pump has delivered new fuel and filled the bowl...elapsed time...about 10 seconds.
 
  #7  
Old 05-21-2007, 09:31 PM
BigBlue88's Avatar
BigBlue88
BigBlue88 is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia, USA
Posts: 911
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Those plugs were replaced and coated in fresh epoxy by the remanufacturer. And at least one other place that these carbs are known to leak. I did a lot of research on rebuilding a q-jet myself before I finally selected a reman unit, and I have a lifetime warranty on it.
 
  #8  
Old 05-22-2007, 09:23 AM
jas88's Avatar
jas88
jas88 is online now
Lead Driver

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Greater Austin, Texas
Posts: 7,300
Likes: 0
Received 355 Likes on 285 Posts
Hey, I'll help you out. The Rochester Quadrajet is, IMO, the best carburetor ever devised by man. As carbs go, it's the next best thing to EFI. The primary metering circuit is very sophisticated and they are extremely reliable. If you stay out of the secondaries, they give great MPG and driveability (owing to the aforementioned primary metering). I am a Ford snob, but I love the Q-jet.

The main well plug leakage is pretty well known, hell I was repairing those with special GM (gas-resistant) epoxy in the early 80s. Hardly new news.

Sounds like a great mod, BB. Enjoy!!
 
  #9  
Old 05-22-2007, 08:57 PM
faststang94's Avatar
faststang94
faststang94 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
im not a big fan of the quadrajunk. ford used a spread bore autolite 4300 series 675cfm or something close to that on the late model 460's
 
  #10  
Old 05-22-2007, 09:16 PM
Torque1st's Avatar
Torque1st
Torque1st is offline
Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 30,255
Likes: 0
Received 26 Likes on 26 Posts
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

I always liked those carbs, those mini-primaries worked well. They will suck the old wallet dry if you drive in the secondaries tho.
 
  #11  
Old 05-22-2007, 10:22 PM
BigBlue88's Avatar
BigBlue88
BigBlue88 is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia, USA
Posts: 911
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
I put some of the photos I took in my gallery. It's a pretty clean looking install, and will only get better when I reroute the heater and A/C hoses. Makes the rest of the engine bay look really dingy.

I'm just amazed at how simple it all is. I hooked up...fuel, throttle and 12V to the choke. That's it, and the engine runs. Nothing was complicated. I didn't miss some critical step. Getting all the right fittings and bolts together beforehand was stressful, because I just didn't know what was going to be neccesary. I didn't know if I was going to break a manifold bolt or have scarring on the head mating surface from the old leaky non-existent gasket. The only things I wasn't sure about were the linkage and fuel feed, and those got taken care of with a coathanger and a donor car.
 
  #12  
Old 05-22-2007, 11:56 PM
jedclampet15's Avatar
jedclampet15
jedclampet15 is offline
New User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Great Work, but interesting choice

Originally Posted by BigBlue88
All right, all right. Enough schooling me. Can I get some congrats for upgrading my truck?
The little carter that couldn't.
I run the EFI setup, but latley I've been having problems with the engine running rich....enough to where I get about 3 miles out of 5 gallons of fuel and a set of plugs......If anyone knows about the EFI versions of the 6 cylinder 300, please please let me know. Any help is appreciated. Anyway, to "Big Blue" Sweet,,,interesting, but Sweeet
 
  #13  
Old 05-23-2007, 01:48 AM
faststang94's Avatar
faststang94
faststang94 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by jedclampet15
The little carter that couldn't.
I run the EFI setup, but latley I've been having problems with the engine running rich....enough to where I get about 3 miles out of 5 gallons of fuel and a set of plugs......If anyone knows about the EFI versions of the 6 cylinder 300, please please let me know. Any help is appreciated. Anyway, to "Big Blue" Sweet,,,interesting, but Sweeet
check your fuel pressure regulator. most likely its bad and putting way too much fuel to the engine. too check you need a gauge you can hook up to the valve on the fuel rail.
 
  #14  
Old 05-23-2007, 07:57 AM
BigBlue88's Avatar
BigBlue88
BigBlue88 is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia, USA
Posts: 911
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
faststang94- Nah, it's not running rich- the plugs seem OK and the exhaust doesn't stink at all. I don't think the carbureted 76 I'm talking about in this thread even has a fuel pressure regulator.
 
  #15  
Old 05-23-2007, 09:18 AM
faststang94's Avatar
faststang94
faststang94 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
no i wasn't refering to you, i was refering to the guy i qouted that posted before me saying his efi 300 was running really rich.
 


Quick Reply: Installed a Quadrajet on a 300!



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:34 AM.