but I am posting it.

I went to visit my local Ford dealership in Fredericksburg VA this past Friday. I was able to pick up The New 2008 F-Series Super Duty sales brochure. Here is what it says on pg 13, far right and middle of the page.

The 6.8L Triton V10* pumps out 362 hp and 457 lb.-ft. of torque for BEST-IN-CLASS GAS POWER AND TORQUE. In a properly equipped Super Duty, this engine can out-haul and out-tow the competition's diesel powerplants. Get it with available TorqShift 5-Speed automatic transmission for an outstanding gas powertrain.

*Not available on F-450.

Then at the bottom, right corner of the same page...

The TORQSHIFT 5-SPEED AUTOMATIC is improved for 2008 with a beefed-up torque convertor and stronger gear sets. Its selectable TOW/HAUL MODE adjusts transmission operation to match towing and hauling demand. This reduces gear hunting, improves power delivery, and engages engine braking to help control vehicle speed when descending hills. The TorqShift is available on any Super Duty.

Now I know the top paragraph is advertising, and a lot of bravado, but damn, I'd like to see the match-up between similarly equipped trucks, ie same size tires, differential, cab type, bed length, payload etc. I would like to know what Ford did, or how it was they came up with the results to back up that V10 vs diesel claim.

I love my V10 and all it's power but I never knew how it could stack up to a diesel, I guess Ford does though. Again I know that's advertising. And I didn't post it to start squat, I posted it 'cause Ford made the claim and I wanted to hear what others had to say.

RustyFuryIII

 

Power is power regardless of the fuel burned to produce it. I've gotten more than one laugh on the tractor forum when someone says something like 20 "diesel" HP is like 80 "gas" HP. Our V10s can out-tow many, many diesel engines!

As for the brochure, I suspect that GVWR and GCWR come into play when Ford makes their towing claims. You could have a 10,000HP top-fuel dragster engine (or a 50HP diesel ), but if the rest of the chassis can't support the load, you aren't going anywhere.

 

I want that tranny for my 03.

 

I had a 95 and 2000 7.3s, great reliable engines but the V10 I have now will out pull them on any of the roads I travel on in BC and Alberta. The T/S tranny is part of this.
My 04 sick-oh probably had a bit more grunt when it was running, but when it was dead along side the road, even a power wheel chair could out pull me.

 

I'll second that. They got 'em screwed onto the backs of 2V's in the vans. Wonder if....

 

They are referring to the towing capacity and not towards the performance...

That v10 with the TS must be a real monster.

I loved my 2v v10 it towed well it just had a drinking problem (fuel)....

 

Monsta, let me know if you figure it out. I am new to the SD world so any input would be great.

Thanks
Jay

 

Monsta,

do they really got them in 2v V10 vans. If so, is it possible to swap 4r100 for a TorqShift.

 

The specs says they do. http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/e...eatures/specs/

Possible? Anything's possible. Worth doing? Maybe. Affordable? Doubt it.

 

I went to the Ford website to build a new truck and I found some surprises.

1) The V10 was not available in the F450

2) I could not get the V10 with the TS in the F350

Is that correct or am I doing something wrong?

Rob

 

Something wrong... the 5R110w TS is THE trans option against a standard ZF6.... I have never heard of a truck that can not have the optional auto trans...I do know that there are trucks that can NOT have the standard trans...

Yes there is no way to get the Ford F450 pickup truck version with a V10.. except you can order a F450 cab chassis with the V10... what we do not know (because I stopped my research--- heading out to Germany for a month soon and real busy right now) is IF the F450-F350-F250 pickup bed will directly bolt onto the back of a Cab Chassis frame design (we do know that a Cab Chassis Frame is slightly different.

Stop messing with the horrid Ford build web site... I find "Edmunds dot com" to be much better most of the time

 

i had a 97 F20 7.3 powerstroke. Great truck. It pulled my 7000lb trailer no problem, but it did feel like a lot of weight back there when starting from a dead stop. My V10 Exc pulls it from a stop like it weighs 700lbs. Much stronger and smoother on the road in the hills too.
The Exc is the best tow vehicle I have driven so far.

 

Oops, sorry...I went back an tried again under the King Ranch style and sure enough the TS was the standard option, if fact the only option.

BTW, is there any mechanical difference between the TS offered for the gas engine vs the TS offered for the diesel engine?

Rob

 

While it can out-tow a few diesels it won't do it cheaply (8mpg) and it won't do it as fast (a loaded Powerstroke is much quicker than a loaded V10 all things equal). They're not lying but if you were to drive an equally loaded v10 and the "competition's" Diesel I'm sure you'd find the diesel to be much better suited for towing.

I love the V10 too but I know what it is and what it isn't. The low-end torque on the Diesel is what a gas motor generally can't match.

 

Mike

I have owned Ford trucks from the 1965 289 powered Ranchero through every single Ford motor and chassis combination there is... while I somewhat agree with what you are trying to say I think the way you are saying it is not completely true...

I have a standing challenge for any--- and I mean any--- test of power, speed, uphill tow, in bed haul...ANY test you can think of ----between my 3v V10 2005 4 door 4x4 5R110w TS auto trans twisting 4.30:1 rear gears, factory STOCK truck against ANY STOCK diesel powered Ford truck...

5 years running now I have made this challenge here and on the diesel site and ZERO takers.....

They won't take the challenge because they all know the truth is that the 6.9L or 7.3L or 6.0L diesel motor does NOT really shine in low end torque compared to the power of the 99 through present V10 capabilities mated to the right trans and rear gears.....The V10 has a solid and linear torque curve from 1900 through 4800 rpm...and having THAT much torque span is always going to be more beneficial t5hen the very narrow power band of the diesel motor

There are very few conditions where a diesel powered truck is significantly better then the properly equipped gas version... high altitude and high mileage use come to mind as areas where the diesel is slightly superior...

I firmly dispute you notion that a "(a loaded Powerstroke is much quicker than a loaded V10 all things equal)"

Prove it......