Well, for what it's worth, Ford did build several diesel engines on its own years ago. There were the tractors, of course. They built several diesels for use in their heavy trucks before they did the contract with International in the early 80s. I have some old manuals that deal with them.
Mazda (owned by Ford) has built industrial diesels as well as some small car and light truck diesels. So has Volvo car (not to be confused with Volvo Trucks, a separate company now as a result of Ford buying the Car division).
Ford supposedly has a center in England that is for diesel development. There have been rumors about a V8 turbodiesel displacing somewhere in the mid 4 liter range for quite some time now. That design is supposedly out of that facility.
We'd all love to see a yellow engine under the hood. They'll be glad to throw one in there if you upsize to a 650...but maybe not for long unless Big Yellow can get a compliant engine for the new emissions gobbledygook. It's killing Peterbilt now. Emissions crap aside, Cat doesn't have the capacity to meet Ford's demand. That means ventures or licensing. Does Cat even do licensing? I've never heard of it.
Ford is working on the 4.4L I6 for the 09 f150. I would hope to see the new CGI Block technology in Fords new motor in 2011 after the Nav contract ends.
have heard rumors of a 7.2L I6 in Fords back pocket that has been in development since 2005
I don't believe that Ford has the resources necessary to design and produce an in house diesel for the SD.
Leave it to the experts, just not International.
Ford sure does have the resources to product a diesel for the SD. Like already mentioned they have a facility in England, the Dagenham Diesel Centre. Development of engines done here are more than Ford going at it alone. You have Ford, Land Rover and PSA Peugeot Citroen all working together in development. The new 4.4L V8 (CGI Block) development is being done in Dagenham. This 4.4L is what is to be in the F-150 in '09. The 4.4L is base off the already in production 3.6L TDV8 for the European Range Rover which has been receiving rave reviews. If the 4.4L works well (emissions wise) there should be no reason why they could not apply the same technologies to a larger displacement motor for the Super Duty.
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i still think they need to drop the whole v8 thing and stick with an inline 6 design and get more power and torque from this thing.
The only problem with that is Ford's recent development/engineering of diesel engines is with V motors and not inline motors. If they did do a inline diesel it would be starting from scratch and that is not going to happen.
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They need to just let Caterpillar build it for them....
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CAT would be nice, although CAT can not/will not meet the demands on the number of engines needed each year by Ford. Same goes for Cummins unless DCX dumps them.
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CAT would be nice, although CAT can not/will not meet the demands on the number of engines needed each year by Ford. Same goes for Cummins unless DCX dumps them.
Wonder if Ford could get permission to build those engines under license? That would solve the problems of getting enough of them.
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why in the world does everyone insist on a cat motor? in the class 8 market the Cat motors are not the ones used by anyone that is serious about making money, they cost more to maintain, they are less fuel efficient and the initial cost is much higher than many other choices. There is a reason that not one major US transportation company buys cats, the yearly operating costs can be as much as double (personal experience speaking not something I read, I have compared yearly costs between my trucks when I still owned a company and that of another friend of mine who owned his own company and truck almost all running cats, he spend 60-80% more yearly on fuel, and maintenance per mile than I did) the absolute WORST thing ford could ever do is put a cat into the superduty trucks, on top of that cat has always had a problem meeting emissions requirements from the git go. There is a reason non of them use CAT motors and it's not going to change for the same very good reason.
Give you another example, I looked at a KW back in 98 had a fresh in frame OH, the reciepts were there total cost was $18,700, I bought a detroit basic same HP level (470 vs 475) I had to have it gone through, they told me a installed factory new crate motor would cost me $14,400, the in frame major OH including new turbo and injectors etc (not included in the cat OH) ended up costing me $8300, yep thats a good idea to put cat motors in them, add another $3000-6000 over the cost of the current diesel for the upgrade.
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Last edited by monsterbaby; 04-07-2007 at 07:35 PM.
Excuese me but didnt ford use the 260 to 351 style block for many many years?? dont think ther gonna drop the modular series for a while. dont think they have had time to develop any thing new yet
why in the world does everyone insist on a cat motor? in the class 8 market the Cat motors are not the ones used by anyone that is serious about making money, they cost more to maintain, they are less fuel efficient and the initial cost is much higher than many other choices. There is a reason that not one major US transportation company buys cats, the yearly operating costs can be as much as double (personal experience speaking not something I read, I have compared yearly costs between my trucks when I still owned a company and that of another friend of mine who owned his own company and truck almost all running cats, he spend 60-80% more yearly on fuel, and maintenance per mile than I did) the absolute WORST thing ford could ever do is put a cat into the superduty trucks, on top of that cat has always had a problem meeting emissions requirements from the git go. There is a reason non of them use CAT motors and it's not going to change for the same very good reason.
Give you another example, I looked at a KW back in 98 had a fresh in frame OH, the reciepts were there total cost was $18,700, I bought a detroit basic same HP level (470 vs 475) I had to have it gone through, they told me a installed factory new crate motor would cost me $14,400, the in frame major OH including new turbo and injectors etc (not included in the cat OH) ended up costing me $8300, yep thats a good idea to put cat motors in them, add another $3000-6000 over the cost of the current diesel for the upgrade.
I have to disagree. My 3406E 475hp got nearly identical fuel mileage to my N14 430hp Cummins. Maintenance costs were roughly the same per mile as well. Same gearing, same average load weight.
Besides, we are talking about two entirely different classes of engines here. Comparing a 3406 to an angine that would be used in a pickup truck is like comparing apples to monkeys.
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