International T&E will be introducing a 4.5L V6 diesel this fall. I don't have any other specs than that. I expect it will be placed in the F150 at some point. International doesn't have a chassis small enough for a V6.
The 4200 is offered with a small v-6(vt365) Looks like a baby stroker. And with the introduction of the mxt, I'm thinkin navistar will be in the truck making business in the near future. The way they used to be.
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Why would Ford put a diesel in an F150? I myself am shocked that they haven't yet. The guys who say gas is as good as diesel have not driven one! The biggest argument that I hear against diesel is that it is $.20 to $.30 higher than gasoline. When gas was $1.00/gallon, if diesel was that much higher it would negate the economy of diesel. That would be 30% higher, and since diesels are 'only' 30% more efficient, for a daily driver, it would be a wash. Now that fuel is around $3.00/gallon, $.20 to $.30 higher is only 10%. Now, for a daily driver, if you so choose (there are better choices for that), the diesel is a better choice. Now put the truck to work. I had a full size Chevy Van with a 350. Then a 96 Silverado C1500, also with the 350. With the van, I got about 6 MPG pulling my trailer, and about 15 solo. With the C1500, I got about 9 towing, and about 15 solo. Then I got a 96 F250 PSD. I got about 17 solo, but 12 towing, and this with an engine that was about 25 percent larger. Now I have a 99 F350 PSD crew cab. I get 19 MPG on the Intersate, and am averaging about 15 since September when I got it. The previous owner claimed 14 MPG with a 15000# 5th wheel trailer, and 20 on the Interstate solo. The only added maintenance cost I have seen so far is that about 5 times a year, my oil changes cost me about 2 - 3 times what they would with a gas engine, and about 2 times a year my air filters are about 2x what they would be with a gas. Also about 2 times a year, my fuel filters will be about 3x what they would be with a gas. I spend alot more than that on stupider stuff (take a family of 5 out to eat and to a movie a few times, for example). Ford will not put something as big and powerful as the 7.3, or the 6.0 or the 6.4 in the F150. It will be a 4.0 - 5.0. It will probably get low to mid 20's for fuel economy. I know of no current F150 that does that. It will likely 'only' be AS capable for towing as the current F150. Ford has no motive to make it compete with the more profitable Super Duties. I believe that people will buy a diesel F150.
PS - this is not a rant, or meant to instigate any trouble, this is just my opinion, and my own observations. Feel free to disagree, or to let me know that I am full of it if you believe it to be true.
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I was looking for one of those Ranger diesels back in the late 80's. I found a guy who had a used one in San Antonio and I drove down there to check it out.
This was an XLT top of the line Ranger with all the bells and whistles. When I drove it, the noise from the Perkins (?) was so loud I had to shout to my wife who was sitting next to me. It drove like it was made for pulling stumps, not getting on the interstate. I was shifting and putting the pedal to the metal and we just were not moving.
It was a shocking disappointment! How did anybody at Ford think those would sell?
In my view, it was a case of poor mating of engine to transmission, or rear end or ?
I didn't doubt the quality of the truck or engine or parts, but the lack of "real world" engineering that went into the drivetrain doomed this thing in my opinion. Maybe a much higher rear end would have helped?
I thanked the guy and walked away. I could tell he wanted to unload that truck and was not getting any takers. I ended up buying a used '86 Ranger and started another adventure.
Note- My uncle owned an Isuzu "Pup" with a diesel also in the late '80's, similar to the Datsun pickups of that day. He loved it! It was peppy and he drove that thing without any problems and ended up selling it because he needed a larger pickup for cargo. He claimed the "Pup" got 30 to 40 mpg.
We have 2 "trucks" now -- one's an F150 based Expedition. I don't think it's so much the overlap between an F150 vs a SD, as I think the F150 SUV (Expedition) would be very nice with a diesel and that would probably get us to upgrade ours. My wife was considering the Excursion just because you could get it with a diesel, but I'd only take an '05 with the newer style front suspension. We really don't need an SUV that large, so a diesel Expy would be perfect!
By the way, GM already has plans for a light duty diesel -- I posted an article about it some time back...
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We have 2 "trucks" now -- one's an F150 based Expedition. I don't think it's so much the overlap between an F150 vs a SD, as I think the F150 SUV (Expedition) would be very nice with a diesel and that would probably get us to upgrade ours. My wife was considering the Excursion just because you could get it with a diesel, but I'd only take an '05 with the newer style front suspension. We really don't need an SUV that large, so a diesel Expy would be perfect!
By the way, GM already has plans for a light duty diesel -- I posted an article about it some time back...
the excursion is very nice though! haha i would recommend it!! even with like a class 5 towing package it rides nicely... compared to my truck... lol
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the excursion is very nice though! i would recommend it!! even with like a class 5 towing package it rides nicely...
It's so amazing with all of the heavy duty components, how car like the ride & handling is on the both of them. What a difference all of Fords trucks are, even when compared to the late 90's. It's no wonder it's the number one truck line on the planet!
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The big 3 are all looking to have diesels in all their trucks and some mid-size suv's and even cars by 2010. Ford has been planning on putting a diesel in the F-150 for some time now. They planned on a 4.5 or 4.? liter twin turbo powerstroke. I believe it would be an all around great vehicle for many reasons. A lot of people don't want or need the size of a superduty, the fuel economy should be good since its a V-6, and it would a nice light duty truck with a respectable amount of torque. Once some aftermarket companies get their hands on these trucks i would also bet that they would be rediculously fast. Diesel is the future and companies and people in Europe have realized this and that why about 75% of all vehicles sold in Europe are diesel. It's just a matter of time before diesel gets put into more smaller vehicle applications. The sound and smell of a diesel is also a thing of the past especially with all the technology thats out there.
People bash emmissions controls but once the industry got rid of carburetors and applied electronic fuel injection to gas engines they got better. Diesels really benifited from the application of a little technology. They had to make diesels burn cleaner and amazingly enough when you make diesels quit belching black smoke they are a lot more powerful and efficient. The Germans accomplished this in WWII with diesel aircraft engines, they supercharged one and then turbocharged it with a hydrolically variable turbocharger to control the boost. They were able to make an engine that had a power to weight ratio good enough for aviation use. I knew a former German sargeant pilot when I was stationed over there who had flown a diesel powered bomber, he said they were pretty good engines they were just hard starting and once in awhile the turbo would fail and overboost often blowing an engine. He said they had great power and almost no smoke.
Supercharged & turbocharged, both huh? I wonder what the compression of that specific engine was? Aviation, was it all cast iron? Horizontally opposed or rotary design.
Sorry I'm off topic a bit, I'm just curious!
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Kubota small farm tractor
(need a bigger one to run a Back Hoe)
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