I wonder if the possibility of stricter CAFE standards on light trucks might also be a motivating factor?
Off-roaders might be attracted to the low end torque of a diesel in a lighter and more flexy 1/2 ton, as well.
Jeep's diesel Liberties sold beyond their expectations when introduced. I test drove one and was impressed with it. There is a market for smaller diesels regardless of the reason or logic behind it. If Ford hits the market first, it might be time to increase your share holdings in FoMoCo...
I'm still trying to understand Leather in a Truck.... or Leather in a 4wd truck. It makes as much sense as Stacks..
Well, except for the King Ranch, it ain't really leather!!
I went Lariat because it's much easier to keep clean when I've taken my kids on a road trip with me.
BTW- If I could get the stacks though the cap, I would! It would make most of the cars on the road around me happier too. The rear exhaust with bigger injectors and some programming work let's a big ol' cloud of black smoke roll out at the stop lights.
I thought most trucks has stacks!! Pickups typically have weedburners!!
BTW if you have ever been pulling someone out of the mud or stuck yourself, with leather(whatever you call a lariat) cleanup is a breeze after your covered in mud!!
The rear exhaust with bigger injectors and some programming work let's a big ol' cloud of black smoke roll out at the stop lights.
But where is the fun in having that person in one of those dinky cars that think they are something(I actually had a person in a minivan think that they could easily get around me, but I did enjoy seeing that look of surprise when they realized that I could actually get up and go) and they get a whiff of that good ole diesel exhaust.
The diesel option in an F150 probably won't cost $7,000! The diesel option in the Jeep LIbety was only $1,000!!!! Gas Liberties would get 18 mpg, the diesel was getting 25-26 mpg. The diesel option in a VW Jetta doesn't cost $7,000!!!! Anyone seeing the pattern yet? It only costs $7,000 in the heavy duty pickups.
i would personally never buy anything smaller than a 250, but i think that there is a HUGE market for a diesel f150 out there... expecially for guys who wanna get lifts with huge tires but the 5.4 can't turn em!
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The diesel they are talking about putting into the F150 is in the 4-5L range. Not the 6.4L or bigger. So you will have decent power and better mileage than the bigger trucks. It would also open the possibility of diesel passenger cars. More people exposed to the "benifits" of a diesel.
I say "benifits" in quotes because right now I beleive there arent any benifits in the current PSD. You pay $5,000 for a truck that may or may not be reliable and you have to spend more to keep it up. And mileage is barely better than a V10 (1-2mpg is not worth 5gs, IMO). I guy in the 6.4L forum is reporting 8-9mpg city driving, I very rarely get into the single didits.
All in all I think the diesel option in the F150 would be great, as long as Ford picks a winner of a diesel engine. And keeps the option price reasonable.
The whole ordeal with diesel here in the states is some sort of really bad joke. Most of the rest of the world diesel is cheaper than gas. The EPA tightened up the sulpher emissions standards for diesel engines but then let themselves be lobbied into relaxing the low sulfer requirements for fuel,the Japanese and the Europeans couldn't bring their engines in any more because of sulpher in our fuel, and we don't really build any small automotive diesels. The Europeans and Japanese have been low sulpher for awhile and most of the cars being sold in Europe are diesel. That miserable little smart car even has a diesel in Europe and there are a several diesel motorcycles now. There is even an aircraft diesel again that is doing well in europe because of the expense of gasoline, and its built by an american company.
The idea is to get them into the car line up. The technolgy is here. With everything that I read about them, the most efficient internal combustion engine. The new diesels are more efficient, lower emissions than even a Honda 4 cylinder, & better mileage then a hybrid. Cylinder per cylinder, 4 vs. 4, gas vs. diesel, & more torque.
In Eurore, I've read of small diesel vehicles getting 70 to 80 MPG. I just don't understand why we don't have them here. I'd own one, cheap transportation!
Do the commute with the small car, & save all the work for the manly diesel truck.
The diesel they are talking about putting into the F150 is in the 4-5L range. Not the 6.4L or bigger. So you will have decent power and better mileage than the bigger trucks. It would also open the possibility of diesel passenger cars. More people exposed to the "benifits" of a diesel.
I say "benifits" in quotes because right now I beleive there arent any benifits in the current PSD. You pay $5,000 for a truck that may or may not be reliable and you have to spend more to keep it up. And mileage is barely better than a V10 (1-2mpg is not worth 5gs, IMO). I guy in the 6.4L forum is reporting 8-9mpg city driving, I very rarely get into the single didits.
The unargueable benefit of the PSD is 200 foot lbs. of torque.
Operating costs per mile and resale value are yet to be determined.
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I'm doing my part to reduce food imports, control rising food costs and help feed the children, my trucks run on 100% petroleum diesel. What are you doing?
well i just came back from 10 days in germany yesterday and small diesels are the rage. they are everywehere including chrysler t/c minivans, a dodge ram 1500, and every small car sold in europe. after driving a mercedes 9 pass van with a small diesel and a 6 gear, and an opel wagon with a 2.2 liter diesel and a 5 speed. i am a convert, they ran really great and strong were torquey as hell and got awesome economy. i dont think ford would really think about the psd for a 150, that would be redundant and overkill. as anybody that needs a psd in there truck also needs the beef from a superduty, a truck completely designed for the service a psd was designed for. but a small diesel designed with 150 service in mind, an engine than can handle 150 rated loads and duty yet still produce awesome economy, well that is a different story, and if marketed properly could be a hit. the diesel engines in europe were not significantly more expensive, but returned a hell of a bang. and diesel was a bit less expensive(what the ?) must just be another way of them sticking it to us( you know record gas prices and record profits) dont know why the delays and the screwing at the pumps, but i feel it is a concept whos time has come. shoulda felt that little opel pull out of narrow streets and corners at less than 3500 rpm. woulda put a hurt on the blinged out fast and delirious crowd. Dan
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It would make most of the cars on the road around me happier too. The rear exhaust with bigger injectors and some programming work let's a big ol' cloud of black smoke roll out at the stop lights. 
The idea is to get them into the car line up. The technolgy is here. With everything that I read about them, the most efficient internal combustion engine. The new diesels are more efficient, lower emissions than even a Honda 4 cylinder, & better mileage then a hybrid. Cylinder per cylinder, 4 vs. 4, gas vs. diesel, & more torque.
