- Many people want the towing capability without the added weight of a Super Duty dragging down mileage.
Your still limited by what the F-150 can do, I don't think you'll see as much of an increase in towing capabilities that is going to offset having a diesel
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- More power with better mileage.
Unfortunately in most places at the cost of .30-.40 cents more then premium really makes people look hard at that choice, place the maintance costs, and the bigger initial cost, people are going to be hesitant on this one.
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- The Super Duty is too big to fit in many garages.
- The Super Duty is too big for easy city driving. The F150 is borderline.
- The Super Duty is too tall for some city parking garages.
I have never experianced this as a problem, and I'm from the city(Dallas), now I would never park in a city garage in the first place, too many bad things are possible there, but I'm sure that would be an issue for those that do, as far as my own personal garage it fits just fine, hips and all and no it's not an extra jumbo garage just for the truck.
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- The Super Duty is too large for some families.
- Some people want the added engine life of a diesel without the bigger truck.
- Some people want a "light duty" truck and want to run bio-diesel.
Those are very good valid points, can make a strong argument for a diesel in a light truck there
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- They want a diesel truck without the harsher ride of a Super Duty.
Aftermarket can fix that, personally they aren't all that rough anymore, they were back in the day, but not really anymore now, but if they still are too rough for you then there is always the aftermarket
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- They may like the F150 interior better (I do).
- They like the design of the F150 more.
To each there own, I don't really care for them, I do like a couple of things about them, but they are by no means enough for me to get a diesel in a half-ton
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- They want a diesel truck but don't want to look like a contractor.
Or a horse shower, or a farmer. In the heirarchy of concerns I really don't think that is a big one(it would never be in my mind, though for some it might be), if you have to have it to do the job, so be it.
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- Easy to soup it up.
Very true, and atleast you would be a little saver then a dually turning corners doing ninety to nothing(little scary at times how fast these big trucks can go)
I think that people will only buy an F150 with diesel if it is comparable in price to its gasoline counterpart. If it's more money my thinking is that most people are going to go with a super duty.
I dunno it will be fun to see though, i mean i think it will be cool but it just seems like Ford cant suffer the risk of going out on a limb and trying a diesel in an F150 if they don't know for sure that it is going to be successful.
I havent priced a f150 lately, but last time i did a loaded supercrew was in the same price range as a superduty already.
I all comes down to the same arguments we hear when someone post a v10 or powerstroke thread!! I dont think gas guys will ever say a diesel is a better choice, but I dont think I have ever heard a justification for a gas that would convince me to abandon my powerstroke.
I wish they put diesels in E150s!
As an operator of a public school district fleet in Iowa we cannot own, rent or lease any vehicle larger than 9 passengers unless its a yellow school bus. Ford only sells 12-15 passenger E350s with diesels. We need diesels in our 8 passenger E150s.
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I all comes down to the same arguments we hear when someone post a v10 or powerstroke thread!! I dont think gas guys will ever say a diesel is a better choice, but I dont think I have ever heard a justification for a gas that would convince me to abandon my powerstroke.
Unfortunately I think that's right, they will stick to those same arguments, I wouldn't do away with my diesel either. The biggest problem you have, is that the f-150 has been a gas truck for the longest time, your going to have to deal with the gas people on that one if your goin to try to get them to buy that new engine that is in there. I think i'll just stick with my 350.
I bought a SuperDuty because I couldn't get a diesel in a 1/2-ton. A 1-ton SD is FAR more truck than I'll EVER use. If I need to pull/haul something more than a 1/2 ton can do, I can hitch it to or load it on the Freightliner.
But, no one offers a diesel in a 1/2 ton any more. For a few brief moments after I bought my SD, and THEN finding out Ford is planning a diesel 1/2-ton, I thought I might have jumped the gun a little... But then I figured out how much I actually LIKE my SD (it's much more like my old '79 Chevy than my '89 was, especially in terms of size), and decided I didn't need to wait.
Why did I want a diesel in a 1/2-ton? Highway mileage, mostly; I mostly use my "little truck" these days for long-distance highway drives for fun, and the mileage of the diesel is handy... And it had nothing to do with a price difference over gasoline; The time between fillups is the important thing. That, and diesel just seems like so much a better choice.... Maybe I'm just weird that way.
(throwing a fit over fuel prices gets nowhere in my book, especially when I'm paying $400 EACH DAY for diesel for the Freightliner.)
"The biggest problem you have, is that the f-150 has been a gas truck for the longest time, your going to have to deal with the gas people on that one if your goin to try to get them to buy that new engine that is in there."
Someone could have said the same thing in 1982 about the F250.
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I'm doing my part to reduce food imports, control rising food costs and help feed the children, my trucks run on 100% petroleum diesel. What are you doing?
"Funny human spending habits" ...could almost be classified as "spontaneous buying"
Orr another way would be...
For a sheer Novelty of having a Diesel F-150.
Don't forget there are those people that will Buy a truck... 150/250/350+ (any brand) and Never Ever use it as a truck...
Only Because they...
-Like the way it Drives
-Like the way it feels under them
-Likes the way it handles
-Likes the way it Looks!
-Want to put those 5" stacks on a F150 w/a Diesel behind it!........
......And 10years later, they'll trade it in with not a single scratch on/in it; and with the springs just as stiff as the day it was bought.
Only Because they can say they have a Diesel in their F-150
I would love to see a diesel in ANY 1/2 ton truck. The mileage increase would offset the "extra" cost easy. No concern there. It would be great for those who want more grunt than the 5.4, with more mileage and longevity. I think that they are dragging their feet because they are afraid it will hurt the more expensive market of the f250. There are a lot of people who bought a full size just to get the diesel. Plus the truck turnover wouldn't be as quick for a diesel powered 1/2 vs. gas powered. Therefore they are selling less trucks. I think that the Expedition would have a greater benefit than the f150 from a diesel.
Don't forget there are those people that will Buy a truck... 150/250/350+ (any brand) and Never Ever use it as a truck...
Only Because they...
-Like the way it Drives
-Like the way it feels under them
-Likes the way it handles
-Likes the way it Looks!
-Want to put those 5" stacks on a F150 w/a Diesel behind it!........
I can understand all those(to some degree), except stacks, stacks and lifts I just don't see the logic in at all, but I'm slow that way.
"It would be great for those who want more grunt than the 5.4"
Will it have more "grunt" than the 5.4? Has Ford posted any ratings?
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I'm doing my part to reduce food imports, control rising food costs and help feed the children, my trucks run on 100% petroleum diesel. What are you doing?
Why does everyone keep mentioning that diesels are "high maintanence"?
Lets think about this- The oil change interval is greater on a diesel, The power to cubic inch ratio is greater on a diesel, The power capability's and still getting over 10 mpg is greater on diesels, The engines will retain full power and last twice as long on diesels, With the modern sound deadening tech. on trucks the noise inside the cab is not as noticable on diesels as it once was, Who really stands next to their exaust pipe and smells their exaust?, the fuel mileage is better from the get go on diesels, The ability of the engine is "simply" better on rudy's design.
As I've said before- "If gasser's were better i'd be able to get a v-12 or bigger in my pete's and kenworths"!!!!!!!!!!
I'm completely in support of the diesel in the f-150. If ford doesn't do it now, Dodge or chevy will have 1/2 ton diesels in the next couple of years.
Once people, whether gas or diesel lover's, test drive the diesel and then the triton at the same time, they will go with the diesel if power has anything to do with their decision.
The market that I think will suffer is the svt truck program. I'm willing to bet that the v-6 navistar will run with if not outrun the lightning, and still get better fuel mileage.
Now, the problem- ford is dropping navistar and along with it the idea of a diesel 1/2 ton. Ford will be too involved in trying to develop "correctly" a replacement engine for the superduty to develop or negotiate contracts with navistar for a v-6 diesel.
The smart thing to do would be to contract navistar's v-6 powerstroke for the f-150 to help soften the problem's and change in the superduty's new "in-house" diesel. If the new engine flops they would still have a decent offering(as far as powerplants go) while they work out the kinks.
"Why would ford offer a diesel in the f-150"?
Why not?
Why haven't they already?
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