Thats a cop out and you KNOW it (not no). If its not acceptable now and forces a recall, then it wouldnt be acceptable then either. IF they KNEW about it, then they got caught pushing a vehicle on the market with obvious safety hazards. Knowing about it and NOT bringing it on the market untill it was resolved would have been a lesser of a black eye than what they now have because of it. That alone is a bad mark against Ford and is yet ANOTHER reason that a lot of your LONG time board members are upset about it,,,,,,,,,,, Mr "positive"!
THEN I GUESS THEY ARE NOT TRUE BLUE OVAL JUST LIKE YOU!!!!!
i would think that just going from a V to an inline would almost double the torque..i have an old 300 inline that i can just dump the clutch on and it wont die...i have another truck with a 390 that wont do that...
LMAO!!!.................Where do people come up with this stuff???
A motor could care less how their cylinders are arranged when it comes to power curve.
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2004 E-450 6.0 137,500 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
And for all the 7.3 PSD leghumpers, that intro was less than stellar and Ford has stated the last year of the 6.0 had less warranty claims than last year(s) of the 7.3 PSD.
If it was a perfect world there would be no recalls, and this world is far from perfect.
And BTW DOHC, all I see is BS....show the Facts..not just what you claim to know. Its all hearsay unless you can garnish the cold hard facts from a more reliable source than your self.
Also lay off the crack or what ever is causing your "smack talking" rampage.
I think it would be great if ford would offer there customers a choice CUMMINS or powerstroke like the big trucks do then they could see which seels the best, I would be at the dealer ordering a new truck if they would go cummins, they have the best body they need the engine and they would be back on top.
Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder This recall should have NEVER happened.
And for all the 7.3 PSD leghumpers, that intro was less than stellar and Ford has stated the last year of the 6.0 had less warranty claims than last year(s) of the 7.3 PSD.
"And BTW DOHC, all I see is BS....show the Facts..not just what you claim to know. Its all hearsay unless you can garnish the cold hard facts from a more reliable source than your self. "
At the risk of being Mr. Obvious, since the last year of the 6.0 was 2007 and most of those engines have either less than 20,000 miles on them or are in trucks and vans that have not even been sold yet, there is virtually no way there wouldn't be less warranty claims for 2007 6.0s than there were for 7.3s that have been on the road for five years.
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2004 E-450 6.0 137,500 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
its a fact that an inline makes more torque than a V....ever look at a semi truck and see a v8? ummmm no...
Wow.....you really don't know; do you????
I-6's in OTR tractors MAIN advantage is serviceability......the fact that in frame overhauls are much easier to do with only 1 head and less pistons/sleeves/rods etc....
The CTD 6.7 I-6 most certainly DOES NOT have "twice the torque" of not only the smaller V8 Duramax but the even smaller PSD.
Powerband/torque is predicated on stroke/rod ratio/cam timing/induction etc.............again, how the cylinders are arranged has very little if nothing to do with it.
The very oversquare I-6 gassers from BMW and Toyota were high revving, high horsepower screamers.....the exact opposite of a torque monster.
Last edited by DOHCmarauder; 03-28-2007 at 02:37 AM.
Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder This recall should have NEVER happened.
And for all the 7.3 PSD leghumpers, that intro was less than stellar and Ford has stated the last year of the 6.0 had less warranty claims than last year(s) of the 7.3 PSD.
"And BTW DOHC, all I see is BS....show the Facts..not just what you claim to know. Its all hearsay unless you can garnish the cold hard facts from a more reliable source than your self. "
At the risk of being Mr. Obvious, since the last year of the 6.0 was 2007 and most of those engines have either less than 20,000 miles on them or are in trucks and vans that have not even been sold yet, there is virtually no way there wouldn't be less warranty claims for 2007 6.0s than there were for 7.3s that have been on the road for five years.
You sir, are 100% correct. I loathe people who spout "facts" without backing them up.
Please give me some time to find the quote.....to paraphrase, it was a Ford exec. defending the 6.0 after the nearly 1/2 billion dollars in warranty claims.
He went on to say how the last few years of '06 claims were less than the last 7.3's.
I-6's in OTR tractors MAIN advantage is serviceability......the fact that in frame overhauls are much easier to do with only 1 head and less pistons/sleeves/rods etc....
The CTD 6.7 I-6 most certainly DOES NOT have "twice the torque" of not only the smaller V8 Duramax but the even smaller PSD.
Powerband/torque is predicated on stroke/rod ratio/cam timing/induction etc.............again, how the cylinders are arranged has very little if nothing to do with it.
The very oversquare I-6 gassers from BMW and Toyota were high revving, high horsepower screamers.....the exact opposite of a torque monster.
And I would add that a V8 engine is nothing more than 2 inline 4 cylinder engines sharing a common crankcase.
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2004 E-450 6.0 137,500 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
Back to the topic, for you guys that think Ford building an in-house engine and preventing all the problems that the 6.0 had, have you looked at what a stock VT365 makes for torque? It's like 625 ft\lbs, more than the stock 6.0 at lower HP. But in the never ending HP war--which truck owners that use their trucks for real work could give a crap less about--Ford demanded\required Navistar to change the 6.0 or allow Ford to change it to get more HP, revving it higher than a VT365, just about at it's limits if what I read is true. More HP and lower torque and more problems than what Navistar is having. Anybody see a common denominator? Anybody else think that if Ford would have left well enough alone, that the 6.0 wouldn't have been the disaster it is?
The blame lies with both Ford and Navistar. Ford for demanding too much from the 6.0 and Navistar agreeing to allow all the changes.
Can't say I have much faith in Ford since they couldn't design a snap ring worth a crap. I fully realize that that has been the main issue with them and other than that they have been decent, but come on, how much could that snap ring cost? A buck, 10 bucks? And it wiped out the entier transmission on how many thousands of trucks? Stupid beancounters.
Give me a proven inline diesel--better torque curve, don't care about HP when towing or hauling or moving snow.
Why has Dodge had the same engine up until now and Ford had 3 in the past 7 years?
And if you take a look at the Detroit Lions, you will see why Ford is in such crappy shape right now, Bill Ford can't do any better job running a football team than he can a car company.
"Why has Dodge had the same engine up until now and Ford had 3 in the past 7 years?"
Well even though they have refered to it as the B-Series Cummins it has had 2 differant displacements, 3 differant injection systems and at least 2 differant heads and the now the 6.7 liter Cummins as installed in Dodge trucks is a special for Dodge only design with the geartrain in front.
Describing it as the "same engine up until now" seems to be a bit of a stretch, by qualifying it as "up until now" it would be more accurate to say Ford has had 2 engines in the previous 7 years, up "until now".
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2004 E-450 6.0 137,500 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
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