I know ford has it on the 6.4L, just trying to figure out why they didn't use it from day one with the powerstrokes. Is it really that much more expencive? Its pretty much the standard all over the world with diesels from light duty cooper minis that get 60 MPG all the way up to HD hauler trucks.
I have my doubts that it cost 100k just for the common rai conversion, but its probably not cheap either. I'll be keeping my 6.9 for a while I think.
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i just wish they could make a deal with CAT. c'mon ford ceos. they would sell a ridiculous amount of them just because of the cat name....
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I know ford has it on the 6.4L, just trying to figure out why they didn't use it from day one with the powerstrokes. Is it really that much more expencive? Its pretty much the standard all over the world with diesels from light duty cooper minis that get 60 MPG all the way up to HD hauler trucks.
I have my doubts that it cost 100k just for the common rai conversion, but its probably not cheap either. I'll be keeping my 6.9 for a while I think.
Caterpillar uses HEUI and International engines except the 6.4 liter use HEUI, it sounds like they would be major exceptions to the "standard".
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2004 E-450 6.0 139,000 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
My 6.0 puked some from quite new but it was long before head gasket changing was in fashion (so to speak). I couldnt get FORD to fix it but rather they took my old 6.o tune that had more power, got better fuel mileage, had a tow/haul that worked, and had the quiet idle with pilot injection without hesitation. I added a tuner and the bolts stretched enough to have the repair done on warranty without hesitation. Who screwed who through all of this? Am I bad for doing it? The last thread where I viewed my thoughts on this was locked.
Bookem, here is what you wrote in another 6.7 thread - you will have to be more consistent my friend - you question why I would do mods, then you say If more power is required, go to the aftermarket
yes I did state that in another post but where does it say that I was going to do it during the warranty period? I am just curious why people would junk the warranty to save money when if the motor breaks down the savings is gone plus a lot more. that is all
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Because some of have built up a relationship with our dealers whereby some of the mods dont necessarily void warranty. Sometimes buying from the place with the cheapest price isnt the best value in the end! With a 5 year / 160000 km warranty on the engine, how many people will drive it that long before doing any mods if they were planning on doing them?
When I look at the performance that has been unleashed from the 6.0, there is no way I could ever drive one stock. Dont get me wrong, I dont have any high horsepower programs (just a STREET type of program for driving around and a TOW program for when I pull heavy). I also dont beleive in 'over-gearing' like some guys have done by adding huge tires and not making gear change compensations.
I look at the 6.4 as one heck of a platform on which to build. I would remove the DPF (but replace it with a 'dummy' look alike rather than a straight pipe), leave the CAT intact, and just put on a cat-back exhaust. Add a tuner from one of the custom tuners who have worked hard to gain a good reputation and enjoy the truck for what it should/could be.
I didnt post here to argue, just to make a point!
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Because some of have built up a relationship with our dealers whereby some of the mods dont necessarily void warranty. Sometimes buying from the place with the cheapest price isnt the best value in the end! With a 5 year / 160000 km warranty on the engine, how many people will drive it that long before doing any mods if they were planning on doing them?
When I look at the performance that has been unleashed from the 6.0, there is no way I could ever drive one stock. Dont get me wrong, I dont have any high horsepower programs (just a STREET type of program for driving around and a TOW program for when I pull heavy). I also dont beleive in 'over-gearing' like some guys have done by adding huge tires and not making gear change compensations.
I look at the 6.4 as one heck of a platform on which to build. I would remove the DPF (but replace it with a 'dummy' look alike rather than a straight pipe), leave the CAT intact, and just put on a cat-back exhaust. Add a tuner from one of the custom tuners who have worked hard to gain a good reputation and enjoy the truck for what it should/could be.
I didnt post here to argue, just to make a point!
now that is a good one. I like the thought of making a dummy look alike and then putting a tune to it. We could make a case on that and maybe our service managers would honor the warranty work. Have you ever heard of anyone trying to make a dummy version? Also I was not trying to argue if that is the way it sounded I am sorry for that.
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i just wish they could make a deal with CAT. c'mon ford ceos. they would sell a ridiculous amount of them just because of the cat name....
Cat engines actually are very similar in ways to international's heui's system.
Nothing but hype. Anyone running cat engines will want cummins. Cummins owners want cats. I-6 cummins owners think fords v8 diesl is the cats meow. Ford owners think the cummins is spectacular.
HEUI 7.3 PSD's has it's downfalls, but so does 5.9 cummins. Cat and international didnt use HEUI to make life miserable, its supposed to reduce cost of ownership.
I read a cost comparison lately of the big 3 cost of ownership:
Chev: Lowest.
Ford: second lowest.
Dodge: highest.
Heres the thing....
% spent towing:
Ford : highest
Dodge : second highest
Chev : lowest.
So, truth be told, i'll agree the cummins is a great engine, but it's not a miracle under the hood like people think.
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2002 7.3 PSD 4x4 Nothing out of the ordinary.
The diesel engine is over a century old by now. Its not cutting edge technology even with all High tech life support systems that are integrated in them these days. Its still just a rattle-box for pete's sake.
Any one of the companies mentioned here in this discussion is capable of making the best diesel ever made. All thats needed is the will to make it happen.
One thing I will say about the cummins, is that it has remained a a cummins since 1989 when dodge first offered it. Instead of making a completely new engine every 5 years with a new market spin, cummins simply upgraded their engine to keep pace with the times. I respect that, even if there were still problems with the computer controlled versions when they came out.
I have a hard time respecting ford when you consider how many diesel engines they went through in the last 20 years. Just pick one and stick with it!!
Even the old 6.9 is capable of 300+ Hp with an intercooled turbo setup. but instead they made an entire new engine just to get a turbo on it, not intending to bash the powerstroke series, but really, whats the point?
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A compilation a friend did; he had to work hard to get that information, theres lots of good websites to get charts and numbers from, but you have to do quite a bit of work to find out figures like i stated.
Those figures were across 16 random states, and 2 provinces i believe.
I was actually supprised, every state and province told the same story (in figures), i wasnt expecting that at all.
This work he did only included cost of ownership, and pulling duty.
You could also cross reference "customer satisfaction", and other variables into the mix as well, but I doubt that dodge will win more in any other categories, i could be wrong though.
Yes, a cummins in a ford would probably take 1st prize every time, but like i said before, they only come in dodges.
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2002 7.3 PSD 4x4 Nothing out of the ordinary.
I will take crappy exhaust and common rail injection over a good exhaust and the HEUI setup.
Technically, HEUI is common rail injection.
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2004 E-450 6.0 139,000 miles
7,500 mile, 15 quart oil changes, 5W-40 Rotella.
UOAs consist of checking for metal on drain plug magnet. All stock, no mods. Dyed fuel with no additives. Never been reflashed.
Total parts replaced;
one EGR valve.
Im very excited about a ford in house diesel. The only problem i can think of is milage. Don't get me wrong 400 hp 700 lb/ft torque is definately something to brag about but if it gets under 18 mpg it isnt worth it. Why not make a truck that can pull anything you need it too and get good mpgs seems to me people would jump on that.
Even at $4.XX a gallon I still have the same argument on fuel mileage- I didn't buy my PSDs to get good mileage, I bought them to pull trailers. If my #1 concern was mileage I would've bought a ranger, or better yet, a moped. I want to see ford finally settle down with a reliable diesel (a trend which ended with the arrival of the 6.0L in my opinion) and STICK WITH IT. I don't care who makes the darn thing.
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