shoot for right now, i'll stick with my 5.4, im a heavy foot i probably average 14mpg maybe even less i just like the power and the sound of my engine. i kno i pay in the end with fuel costs and probably premature wear on my tranny but o well. I've always wanted a diesel not even for towing just b/c i like them. Gas prices are not going to change the government knows as long as people have cars the HAVE to buy gas, and everyone will. so the government basically says F it and keeps the prices high b/c they are all making big money off of it. but a diesel in a F150 will get better MPG than a diesel in a F2 or 350 simply becuase of the weight difference. same on driving habbits and what your doing with the vehicel. i rest my cast u cant get high HP and high MPG look at the 6.8 V10 for example kick ass power but what like 11 mpg if that? you choose what u want and dont complain, sorry
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2007 F150 XLT Scab 4x4 (330cu.in) 5.4L V8 3.55s 4spd Auto
2004 Ranger XLT Scab 4x4 (245cu.in) 4.0L V6 4.10s 5 spd Auto
2002 Explorer XLS 4x4 (245cu.in)4.0L V6 3.55s 5spd Auto
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'97 4x4 4.6 191k miles
March 20th 2006
Hello Ford....are you listening? We want a small diesel, easily maintained, good MPG numbers with reasonable torque and hp #'s. We don't want bragging rights, massive torque and hp, complicated mainenance and poor reliability. If you are in financial trouble then here is your next big ticket to success. MPG is the number one thing for now and in the forseeable future!!!! It will have to tow up to 7000 lbs and do it cheaply. I'm sitting here with my check book in my hand!!! The ball is now on your side of the net.
Hello Ford....are you listening? We want a small diesel, easily maintained, good MPG numbers with reasonable torque and hp #'s. We don't want bragging rights, massive torque and hp, complicated mainenance and poor reliability. If you are in financial trouble then here is your next big ticket to success. MPG is the number one thing for now and in the forseeable future!!!! It will have to tow up to 7000 lbs and do it cheaply. I'm sitting here with my check book in my hand!!! The ball is now on your side of the net.
i must agree.....it would be nice to have the 500 some ft lbs but it's not necessary.....something like 280 hp and 460 ft lbs is plenty and should be pretty good on fuel also.....give us that and leave the BIG towing #'s to the Super Duty.....that is why they have that line of truck isn't it????
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Hello Ford....are you listening? We want a small diesel, easily maintained, good MPG numbers with reasonable torque and hp #'s. We don't want bragging rights, massive torque and hp, complicated mainenance and poor reliability. If you are in financial trouble then here is your next big ticket to success. MPG is the number one thing for now and in the forseeable future!!!! It will have to tow up to 7000 lbs and do it cheaply. I'm sitting here with my check book in my hand!!! The ball is now on your side of the net.
i totaly agree but i still want to see a big motor to appeal to my addiction (as an option)
The 150 weighs less than a 250. A smaller de-tuned diesel with about 400lbs of torque and the proper gearing could be awsome! Not everyone needs 650 lbs of torque and pulls 15,000 lbs. High torque and horsepower come at a price!! Modern diesels especially those after 2007 are tuned to the max in the horsepower/torque race that we find the "big three" involved in. I don't want bragging rights, I just want reliability and MPG! Diesels are everywhere in Europe. $6 buck fuel has led that continent into efficiency in diesel design and application. They don't get into p*ssing contests with bragging rights over power. I know of a fellow with a two year old diesel truck and it has been in the garage 14 times in two years. Yep all that torque and turbos and fancy dancy stuff makes a lot of sense when it's sitting at the dealership. They think nothing of charging him hundreds of dollars for repairs!!
So........step back from the hp/torque race. Make it efficient, reliable, great MPG and
potent with 7 or 8 thousand pounds in tow and they will come with the check books ready!!!
The 150 weighs less than a 250. A smaller de-tuned diesel with about 400lbs of torque and the proper gearing could be awsome! Not everyone needs 650 lbs of torque and pulls 15,000 lbs. High torque and horsepower come at a price!! Modern diesels especially those after 2007 are tuned to the max in the horsepower/torque race that we find the "big three" involved in. I don't want bragging rights, I just want reliability and MPG! Diesels are everywhere in Europe. $6 buck fuel has led that continent into efficiency in diesel design and application. They don't get into p*ssing contests with bragging rights over power. I know of a fellow with a two year old diesel truck and it has been in the garage 14 times in two years. Yep all that torque and turbos and fancy dancy stuff makes a lot of sense when it's sitting at the dealership. They think nothing of charging him hundreds of dollars for repairs!!
So........step back from the hp/torque race. Make it efficient, reliable, great MPG and
potent with 7 or 8 thousand pounds in tow and they will come with the check books ready!!!
Fianally, someone that "Get's It"
I wish they'd offer a detuned PSD. Something in the 500 lb ft range. With 20+ MPG. Hell, how many people NEED 650 lb ft? Prolly 1 out of 10 sold. It's all about bragging rights.
My 93 with an aftermarket turbo does just fine with around 400 lb ft, and 15K lbs behind it. It gets 17 MPG, and is so simple, and inexpensive to maintain, that I'll prolly never sell it.
The F 150 has become a Weekend Warrior/Cummuter/Soccer Mom vehicle. It's so overlly full of fluff. Hell, You can't even buy one with certain hard working options, because all the fluff gets in the way. Ford has forgotten what got them to the top of the hill. A tough, hard working TRUCK.
The next time you see a F150 on the road. Look at who's driving it, and if they're actually hauling anything in the bed. Heck, look at yourself, for that matter. I'd bet that 75% of the owners out there, could get away with driving a Civic to work. Thus reducing our daily total gas usage by hundreds of thousands of gallons. Which would be about the only thing that's going to drop gas prices. Demand has to go down. But with the typical American over grown ego's, we all need to look cool in a truck.
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93 F One Fiddy- 5.0/AOD/3.55 230K OEM
93 F Two Fiddy Scab- 7.3/ZF5/4.10/Sidewinder II,94 Turbo pump,G Inj's, Velvet Ride, Turbo Bumper, Alcoa's
85 F Two Fiddy-6.9/C6/3.54/ Holley Red, Racor, Soup Bowl,AutoJet 3",Ride Rite Rear
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What is this fluff you are talking about? With the launch of the 2004 generation F-150 ford made the most capable truck on the road. Between the most lowend torque, the strongest frame, 6 lug Roller Bearing axles instead of ball bearings. I have a 97 XLT ex cab 4.6 4x4 with 208k miles. My dad has an 04 ex cab 5.4 XLT. The only fluff I see that you might be complaining about is the auto dim rear view mirror (also available in drivers side mirror now) and a temperature dislpay & compass below the tachometer.
I know there are more options on the more expensive trucks. But I simply do not see what fluff is stopping you from using your truck as a work truck or a luxury cruiser whichever you prefer.
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'97 4x4 4.6 191k miles
March 20th 2006
The 200lbs of sound deadning. 29 cup holders. 17-18"wheels/tires that cost $160/per to replace, when a 16" would be fine. Fading interior lights. Lift blocks that make the high box a pain in the a$$ to use. Ect. Ect.
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93 F One Fiddy- 5.0/AOD/3.55 230K OEM
93 F Two Fiddy Scab- 7.3/ZF5/4.10/Sidewinder II,94 Turbo pump,G Inj's, Velvet Ride, Turbo Bumper, Alcoa's
85 F Two Fiddy-6.9/C6/3.54/ Holley Red, Racor, Soup Bowl,AutoJet 3",Ride Rite Rear
The 200lbs of sound deadning. 29 cup holders. 17-18"wheels/tires that cost $160/per to replace, when a 16" would be fine. Fading interior lights. Lift blocks that make the high box a pain in the a$$ to use. Ect. Ect.
Well as far as the Wheels go 17 in is the smallest rim that would fit over the brake rotors, I personaly like the fact that they have the int lights cut off after a period of time. the 200 lbs of sound deadner isn't that what a lot of people asked for quieter int
Well as far as the Wheels go 17 in is the smallest rim that would fit over the brake rotors, I personaly like the fact that they have the int lights cut off after a period of time. the 200 lbs of sound deadner isn't that what a lot of people asked for quieter int
Well both of my 250's have 16" wheels, with dual piston calipers. The only reason the wheels are that large is BLING effect.
The F150 is(was) supposed to be a truck, not an oversized commuter/station wagon. If you want it that quiet, buy a Lincoln. Save me from having to haul the extra 200 lbs of weight.
I like to hear what's going on with my rigs. It'd be nice if you could hear if the alt was slipping, lifter ticking, tire howling. It allows you to know if you have a problem, earlier. Maybe saving yourself some serious trouble/$$$
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93 F One Fiddy- 5.0/AOD/3.55 230K OEM
93 F Two Fiddy Scab- 7.3/ZF5/4.10/Sidewinder II,94 Turbo pump,G Inj's, Velvet Ride, Turbo Bumper, Alcoa's
85 F Two Fiddy-6.9/C6/3.54/ Holley Red, Racor, Soup Bowl,AutoJet 3",Ride Rite Rear
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