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Here are some Figures on the 4.4 L Diesel

Ford 4.4 Turbo Diesel
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The Ford 4.4 Turbo Diesel is the engine Ford is developing for their F-series trucks both as a base Diesel for their Super Duty Line and possibly for the F-150/Expedition. PSA may introduce this engine as the flagship of the upcoming 608 range.

It is to be based on the Lion V6 Diesel and has an estimated power output of 330 hp (246 kW) and 515 ft·lbf (698 N·m) of torque. As with the other AJDs it will have a Compacted Graphite Iron block due to the higher power output.
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All this talk about more power, more mileage, more of both, it makes me sick. Instead of all that I want less expensive fuel, be it either gas or diesel. Sorry as it sounds but when fuel was cheap did anyone really care? And only recently has the diesel become a HP love affair. Audi is seeing to that. I always believed that diesels where about low RPM power and longevity, not about spinning mega RPM's and racing around, that should still be the gas motors domain. Leave the diesel alone!
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Cheap fuel, like Elvis, is in the past, as long as people are willing to pay it, they have no reason to lower it and we have no choice but to pay it or walk. No matter what the fuel is now, we'll be paying through the nose. If they could fix cars to run on water, it would cause the price of water to go up. They have found that 3 dollar a gallon fuel doesn't hurt the economy and people still buy it and don't change thier habits, like vacations and stuff, so we'll allways have high fuel prices no matter what the fuel is.
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All this talk about more power, more mileage, more of both, it makes me sick. Instead of all that I want less expensive fuel, be it either gas or diesel. Sorry as it sounds but when fuel was cheap did anyone really care? And only recently has the diesel become a HP love affair. Audi is seeing to that. I always believed that diesels where about low RPM power and longevity, not about spinning mega RPM's and racing around, that should still be the gas motors domain. Leave the diesel alone!
well, you still arn't going to spin any "mega RPM's" with a diesel and their is no problem with throwing a turbo on it and giving some power to the motor so they arn't like the old "dog diesels" that were total slugs on the road....

as far as longevity i think the new diesels will last just fine...
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Over in Europe cars run on hydrogen. Hydrogen is converted into electric power with an exhaust of pure water. Then the elec runs small electric motors with more power than any internal combustion engine can produce. Best part yet the hydrogen is produced on site with a chemical reaction via the sun. Imagine every fueling station generating its own hydrogen on sight. Filling up your truck to burn hydrogen and having a couple of 440 volt elec motors spinning your torqshift 6 speed in your super duty. Hmm sounds like a great idea what could be stopping it here in America since they are already doing it in Europe?(Well minus the super duty part)

There are guys here in the US that drag race electric cars. 2 8" electric motors running on 360 volts (30 12 volt batteries) and the 2 motors are directly attached to the drive shaft with a 4.11 rear end gear and they run 11 sec 1/4 miles.
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Over in Europe cars run on hydrogen. Hydrogen is converted into electric power with an exhaust of pure water. Then the elec runs small electric motors with more power than any internal combustion engine can produce. Best part yet the hydrogen is produced on site with a chemical reaction via the sun. Imagine every fueling station generating its own hydrogen on sight. Filling up your truck to burn hydrogen and having a couple of 440 volt elec motors spinning your torqshift 6 speed in your super duty. Hmm sounds like a great idea what could be stopping it here in America since they are already doing it in Europe?(Well minus the super duty part)

There are guys here in the US that drag race electric cars. 2 8" electric motors running on 360 volts (30 12 volt batteries) and the 2 motors are directly attached to the drive shaft with a 4.11 rear end gear and they run 11 sec 1/4 miles.
Don't think I'd care to get in a wreck in a vehicle carrying 30 batteries!! Thanks anyway, but I believe I'll stick with gas or diesel.
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Don't think I'd care to get in a wreck in a vehicle carrying 30 batteries!! Thanks anyway, but I believe I'll stick with gas or diesel.
i think it's pretty cool.....and i'm sure they have something designed so you are not exposed to the batteries
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i don't know... remeber back in the 40's and 50's we were supposed to have flying cars in 1999, well that was almost ten years ago, the future of automobiles is very iffy and i can't really say which way it is going to go, but i think when i am a grandpa i will still be filling up either gas or diesel, whether it be more effiecent engines or hybrid stuff, just in a much bigger way than a prius, i will always have a truck no matter what, i love them too much...but it will need to have power, thats my hobby, power, ill spend money for it, i like stomping on the pedal, its fun but a little reckless
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Over in Europe cars run on hydrogen. Hydrogen is converted into electric power with an exhaust of pure water. Then the elec runs small electric motors with more power than any internal combustion engine can produce. Best part yet the hydrogen is produced on site with a chemical reaction via the sun. Imagine every fueling station generating its own hydrogen on sight. Filling up your truck to burn hydrogen and having a couple of 440 volt elec motors spinning your torqshift 6 speed in your super duty. Hmm sounds like a great idea what could be stopping it here in America since they are already doing it in Europe?(Well minus the super duty part)

There are guys here in the US that drag race electric cars. 2 8" electric motors running on 360 volts (30 12 volt batteries) and the 2 motors are directly attached to the drive shaft with a 4.11 rear end gear and they run 11 sec 1/4 miles.
when i was in europe most cars were diesel, just over 1 year ago
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Over in Europe cars run on hydrogen. .... Hmm sounds like a great idea what could be stopping it here in America since they are already doing it in Europe?(Well minus the super duty part)
Sir, I think your "info" is full of excrement. Please post the pictures and spec of 2 different hydrogen powered, mass-produced vehicles sold on the European market.
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You would sooner see diesels in europe and most places other than north america.
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hopefully that trend changes, they need to refine the technology in the diesel motors to get them to run more efficiently with the new environmental controls, especially with whats to come in 2010
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Please note I did not say ALL of EUROPE it is a big place. I would love to post pictures, but I saw this on Discovery channel a 4 part series i think called Future Car. I checked Wikkipedia which confirmed that in Germany and other parts of Germany there are hydrogen fueling stations. I think it was the Netherlands or somewhere like that on the tv show where hydrogen was actually a mass used fuel.
In Australia there is a patent on a "home hydrogen filling station" basically you buy a unit not much bigger than a large hot water heater and it just sits there producing hydrogen. Think about it. You can power your entire house your boat you 4wheelrs your vehicle everything one day. I'm 19 and I doubt I will see it in my lifetime in this Country...

There are 2 different styles of hydrogen cars. 1 uses combustion just like today and burns the hydrogen very similar to how we burn gasoline today. The 2nd mixes the hydrogen with oxygen to produce electricity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:F...bus_London.jpg
That is a bus in London that runs off of hydrogen.

The drag car with 30 batteries is a NHRA drag car not a daily driver. The hydrogen powered cars don't carry 30 batteries.
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My same response,I'll stick with the old 2003 f250. there is not return worth while, need some 22 to 25 MPG diesel truck soon.
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Well it doesn't much matter. Teh government is going to start taxing on milage instead of fuel when we switch to uber cheap fuel/no cost. Great, i hate paying tax and will hate being punished for driving.
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